Lewis Goodall

And just before, I want to explore more about that empire theme, but before we get there, just while we're on that concept of AGI, something whenever I, you know, I've done episodes before, I've written about AI, and something you get a lot from people, I'm sure maybe you get it as well, is this idea, oh, you know, don't fall for their shtick.

You know, a bit like what we've been saying, like, you know, they have commercial imperatives,

So it's it's there's an incentive for them to try and sort of say this is going to be transformational.

We want more and more capital.

We want more and more investment.

And it's a sort of Dutch auction between between them.

Do you think that's right?

Or actually in terms of the potential?

changes of agr do you think it is what they say that it could be is these is there is there a world where the utopia or dystopia is to some extent true or is it part of the kind of shtick and bump it is part of the shtick because in these narratives it's the ai system that's delivering us somewhere it's not about the people that are creating the ai systems

So, Karen, let's get to it.

Why are they empires or a sole empire?

What is it about these companies that remind you of imperial power?

Because we do sometimes say that about other type of corporate power, don't we?

We sometimes say...

You know, they've built, yeah, like a sort of energy empire or a marketing or a retail empire, whatever happens to be.

So we do sometimes talk about corporate power in that way.

You think this is something over and above that kind of sleight of hand or verbal sleight of hand?

In terms of intellectual property and so on.

Is that not always true of a lot of types of corporate power, though?

Did Amazon not do that?