Lewis Goodall

Keir Starmer is who he is.

He's a man in his 60s who is a lawyer and he's been a leader of the Labour Party since 2020.

Does the Labour Party in its soul, in its heart of hearts, in its bones, really believe that he has another gear, another mode, that he has something else to say?

Or are they going to confront the fact that, as I say, fairly or unfairly,

Much of this country, much of the historic Labour base does not want him to remain as prime minister.

I think we had this discussion this time last year.

And I said then, I thought that...

Look, I know that we'd like to think that, you know, there's going to be all this scrutiny of reform in local government and that that's going to somehow reveal to the public that they won't like them after all.

And they'll go back to the mainstream parties.

I think it's fantastical.

Honestly, I really do.

I think what this country is clear for 10 years now, at least, it has been crying out basically for economic change.

It has been crying out.

And it's no surprise that some of the most deprived parts of the country are going,

are swinging to reform hardest because they have nothing to lose.

Well, actually, a lot of those places, actually, I mean, like, there's not that much evidence to

say that those places in particular are much worse off.

They were poor before.

They were looking for economic change.

They pulled on the exit lever because they had nothing to lose.