Lewis Goodall

That's the thing on which he thrives. But in terms of what's next for them, look, Farage, I mean, the one thing that Starmer has got on his side, the real, real Trump card, as it were, is time. He's got time, right? He has got, theoretically, if Starmer wants to push this parliament to its maximal extent, he will have seen the Trump presidency come and go.

That's the thing on which he thrives. But in terms of what's next for them, look, Farage, I mean, the one thing that Starmer has got on his side, the real, real Trump card, as it were, is time. He's got time, right? He has got, theoretically, if Starmer wants to push this parliament to its maximal extent, he will have seen the Trump presidency come and go.

We'll have a new president by July 2029, right? Lest there's been some, well, if we don't, then America's not a democracy anymore. So we can't put that entirely one to one side.

We'll have a new president by July 2029, right? Lest there's been some, well, if we don't, then America's not a democracy anymore. So we can't put that entirely one to one side.

All being well.

All being well.

If the constitutional niceties are observed, then all being well, we should have a different person.

If the constitutional niceties are observed, then all being well, we should have a different person.

I kind of feel like we may end up in the sort of Futurama situation where we actually have President Nixon's head in a jar, you know, just the president by that point, or Trump's. But yeah, all being well. And so that means, and Farage's weakness is that His is a politics and political project which relies basically on a sense of constant momentum, right?

I kind of feel like we may end up in the sort of Futurama situation where we actually have President Nixon's head in a jar, you know, just the president by that point, or Trump's. But yeah, all being well. And so that means, and Farage's weakness is that His is a politics and political project which relies basically on a sense of constant momentum, right?

It relies on a sense that he's always growing. It's always getting bigger. And that relies on the media buying that narrative. And the media love that narrative, right? Particularly right-wing press, they love that narrative. But sooner or later, they get bored. That's a long time to keep that narrative going, four years, right?

It relies on a sense that he's always growing. It's always getting bigger. And that relies on the media buying that narrative. And the media love that narrative, right? Particularly right-wing press, they love that narrative. But sooner or later, they get bored. That's a long time to keep that narrative going, four years, right?

And there are going to be lots of things that tempt him to get interested in it on the way. And there's lots of potential for him to make mistakes. All they need is a few bad performances or a by-election which goes wrong. And suddenly that narrative changes. And because what they don't have is an actual base right now. They don't have a governing base.

And there are going to be lots of things that tempt him to get interested in it on the way. And there's lots of potential for him to make mistakes. All they need is a few bad performances or a by-election which goes wrong. And suddenly that narrative changes. And because what they don't have is an actual base right now. They don't have a governing base.

Like in the old days, ironically enough, they had the European Parliament, right? 2026 will be the key moment for them. because they will have to do well, and I think really well, both in Wales and in Scotland in the devolved elections of that year, in order to give them a springboard for the rest of the Parliament.

Like in the old days, ironically enough, they had the European Parliament, right? 2026 will be the key moment for them. because they will have to do well, and I think really well, both in Wales and in Scotland in the devolved elections of that year, in order to give them a springboard for the rest of the Parliament.

So they're looking very strong right now, and I wouldn't underestimate them for a moment, but it's not all plain sailing between now and 2029.

So they're looking very strong right now, and I wouldn't underestimate them for a moment, but it's not all plain sailing between now and 2029.

I know things can seem really depressing and relentless, and I get it. Believe me, I get the relentless element of it. But I'm afraid we don't get to just kind of remove ourselves or sidestep from the historical and political moment we're living in. I know we all think, oh God, I wish we were back in 1998, 1999. But that's gone. That political world is gone. And the only way, the only way...

I know things can seem really depressing and relentless, and I get it. Believe me, I get the relentless element of it. But I'm afraid we don't get to just kind of remove ourselves or sidestep from the historical and political moment we're living in. I know we all think, oh God, I wish we were back in 1998, 1999. But that's gone. That political world is gone. And the only way, the only way...