Liam Lawson

I think it maybe even then goes in some ways back to...

Like I really, as a kid, I had people around me that were amazing at networking and sort of getting sponsors and stuff like this.

But one thing I had to do when I was getting my first sort of sponsors to move in a car racing, we set up this...

500 Club, which was basically, we had these like pamphlets made that was like, join my 500 Club.

And it basically was, I just go around New Zealand houses, businesses in my area and just be like, can you, you know, $500, join my 500 Club.

And I'm working towards starting this Formula Ford season, I think it was at the time.

And so like, and I remember I was so nervous to do this.

Like I hated it.

I was always really worried about doing it.

And, and so I remember at the time that was a big deal being like, like building the courage to go in there and just do that kind of thing.

I think I've had like quite a few experiences in my life like that where

In general, Max was just always very real.

You know, like he's somebody that in such a

in such a high-level position, such an accomplished position that he's in.

He's had so much success.

It'd be very easy for him to not be like that.

And it's not just with me.

He seems to be like that with everybody.

And I think Max is somebody that just wants to race cars and loves to talk about cars, loves to talk about racing.

And so when I came in, he was just always very – even when I was a reserve, actually, I always noticed –