Liam Sheehan

The world is made up of amazing, magical things.

And you are privileged to be part of that world, me as a magician, because he was fascinated with magic.

He was more fascinated with people who could actually perform it.

And he was, you know, that made his life so, so, he just enjoyed that.

And hence he was friends with magicians all over the world.

I can't actually say, Ciarán, that I would imagine that, you know.

I mean, those words are very tough to hear.

They're very hard to hear, actually.

But all I know is that from being in Blackwater Castle, where there was children, from being, he transferred them to Ballinacourt House in Kinsale, which there was also children, and there was never, never a bother.

I mean, nobody in any of those places ever thought anything difficult with him as such, you know.

He was here, I think he was here, he was escaping here to Ireland and he was trying to enjoy the privacy of Ireland for as long as he could with his children.

And he was leaving them to play with sandcastles and things they've never done before, play hide and go seek in the woods and things that they've never done before.

He seemed to enjoy it here more so than ever before, you know.

Can I say something there, Darren?

Yeah, I think it'll always be the public perception of Michael Jackson is that he was guilty.

There's a big percentage of people that will always say that he was guilty.

And for me, if people ask me about him, the first thing I say, yeah, I was with Michael Jackson, they'll always say, did you sleep with him?

There's always innuendos thrown out about that.

And I think it'll always be like that.

And as Anthony just said there,