Liam Thorp

I felt that there were people saying that even though they didn't really like him, they found him a bit unpalatable.

And, you know, there was one guy who said he totally believed all the reports and the allegations of,

of racism when he was at school and things like that but it didn't necessarily change his view that it was worth giving him a try and I found that quite depressing really people don't necessarily like Farage they believe some of the stuff they're reading about him but they're so anti this Labour government and you know I've been frustrated with this Labour government I think most people probably have been from my perspective Keir Starmer's a quite a sort of bland leader you know he doesn't provoke too many strong reactions but for some people

It's just pure hatred, but they don't seem to feel that in the same way towards someone who is coming in and saying that he's going to cancel, you know, indefinite leave to remain for some people who've lived here for a long time or disrupt families, you know, all that sort of stuff.

I find it quite hard to believe, but I guess that is kind of part of the point of populism.

Reform don't have a record to defend.

So far, they haven't really had to do much except for

you know shout from the sidelines what you know my fear is that that that will carry them into power on a national level and it'll be too late by the time we start to realize how poorly they will be able to govern you know they'll already be there

What's going on here?

The Hillsborough Law Bill, which as your listeners may know, is basically designed to force public officials to tell the truth.

A lot of people would say, well, why do you need a law to do that?

And unfortunately, there's so many examples in this country.

from the post office to the infected blood scandal to Hillsborough to Manchester Arena, where we know that families who have just been unlucky enough to be caught up in something so tragic have faced lies, smears, obfuscation by the state, by public bodies on their route to try and find the truth and justice.

So we know it's needed.

Keir Starmer has promised it time and time again to the Hillsborough families here in Liverpool.

And it was a really historic day when we got to go into Downing Street for the day that it was first going to be laid before Parliament.

However, it then has to make its way through the House of Commons on through the House of Lords before it gets royal assent and becomes this historic bill, which we all believe it will be a historic epoch defining bill, really.

It could really change the way that the country works.

The family's always said there was going to be hiccups along the way.

They believe that there are organs of the state and the establishment that don't really want this change because they've been used to operating on their own terms for so long.