Liam Thorp

And unfortunately, kind of right towards the final stage of the House of Commons, we've hit this big hurdle.

And to put it succinctly, it's about the intelligence services, it's about MI5.

MI6, GCHQ, and how they will be governed by this duty of candor, the thing that forces you to tell the truth at things like inquests and inquiries.

This is particularly sensitive for the families of the Manchester Arena bombing because we now know that members of the intelligence community did lie about what they knew about the attacker in that situation when they were asked about it.

So that's why it's so important.

However, from the government side, they say it's really delicate because if you are a spy and you are being called to an inquiry or an inquest or something like that, they say there can be bits of information that just simply cannot be released because of national security.

And so they've inserted this amendment, which basically meant that the head of that service would have the discretion to say on this occasion, that information shouldn't be released.

But now if you're the families, you're thinking, well, we've been lied to so many times before.

How can we trust that that head of that service isn't just going to use that power and that amendment to cover their own backsides?

Absolutely.

Ian speaks for the families.

He is their parliamentary representative.

Ian was at Hillsborough.

He knows about this more than most people.

I'm sure you're aware of Margaret Aspinall, whose 18-year-old son was killed at Hillsborough.

This law, unfortunately, won't help the Hillsborough families because they have tried every avenue now.

And whilst they got to the truth through the panel that you mentioned, Nish, and new inquests in 2016, which found that their loved ones were unlawfully killed, they've never really got justice.

No one's been held guilty.

uh criminally accountable so they reached the end of their journey on that front so everything they're doing now is about changing the country for others so that other people don't go through what they went through in their decades long you know 30 plus years fight for for truth and justice because at the end of the day for them this will be the ultimate legacy for the family members that they lost and for them in the fight that they've had but most importantly they wanted to stop other people going through the same thing as they did and

If they can get it over the line, it will be a historic day.