Liam Thorp

I do believe that the Prime Minister wants to get this done.

You know, he's promised it several times.

He has a relationship with the families.

He speaks to them a lot.

But ultimately, as far as I'm concerned, if the Hilsburn families support it, then we support it and everyone should.

No, absolutely not.

And every time I report that there's been a delay or there's been a difficulty, of course, people immediately blame the prime minister.

And Ian Byrne said to me on the phone the other day, well, he's the prime minister, he can sort it out.

And I guess that is true.

But you do also have to look at all these other elements to it.

In my opinion, this is trying to get a complete rewiring of how government works over the line.

And there are parts of government that

are resistant to that, definitely.

We've seen it earlier in the process.

We've seen it with the Treasury and other parts.

And I do think that the Prime Minister has driven quite a lot of this through.

This definitely is the biggest stumbling block so far because he's obviously been being very much spoken to quite seriously by the intelligence community about national security.

The families reject that, by the way.

They say that this bill will actually strengthen national security.

It won't affect it.