Liam Thorp

But yeah, you're right about the open wound.

I mean, you only have to come to Liverpool and you will see everywhere that people are still deeply traumatised and deeply moved by Hillsborough.

The Sun newspaper, for example, is boycotted in this city.

Nowhere sells it because of that front page that you mentioned, Nish.

Flags at Anfield every single week, which would pay tribute to Hillsborough victims and their families.

And as you say, really important to say across the board, it's called the Hillsborough Law, but it is affecting so many people.

There's a massive group, a massive campaign group from the nuclear test veterans to Windrush, to Grenfell, to, as we've mentioned before, the post office and the infected blood, so many different groups.

And unfortunately, that is a damning indictment of this country and how it treats people.

So this can be the ultimate change to that, but it has to be right.

And I just really, really hope that the government listens and comes back with a proper amendment that the families can support.

Yeah, it's really emotional, to be honest.

There's a thing with journalism where you have to kind of create a bit of an epistemic distance sometimes between you and what you write about, because if we got upset about everything we write about, we wouldn't be able to do it.

You have to develop quite a thick skin, but...

But on Hillsborough, it's right up there with the most important things that I have ever covered.

Hillsborough has such an important part in this city's makeup and its fabric.

We've been covering Hillsborough since 1989.

We had, you know, reporters there.

And the Acre was always, always championed the side of the families and always will do.

So whatever happens, we'll be on their side.

1989, it's such a long time ago, and they are still today having their lives completely dominated by this.