Lily Jamali

I think that when we first started looking at this trial, we were thinking about what are the implications for all of us? What are the implications for how artificial intelligence is shaping our lives? I think this really was a company news story in many ways about OpenAI. It is one of the biggest players in the AI race. If Elon Musk had gotten his way, he would have knocked out one of the biggest players, clearing the way for AI.

ja myös hänen omaa AI-tarkastelua, jota muistakaa, että hän suositti vuonna 2023 XAI.

which has been embroiled in all kinds of controversy, he would have potentially kneecapped a major competitor that didn't end up happening here. And so what you really have at the end of it is a maintenance of the status quo, OpenAI being able to continue forward, continue with its IPO plans. And so in a sense, not a lot is changing. It's sort of a continuation of where we've been for the last couple of years.

I think if there is going to be regulation, it's going to come from your side of the pond and not mine. We've already seen that with Elon Musk's XAI. They were embroiled in controversy over the last year on a number of fronts. The meaningful action, the probes have all come from

EU, Francia, Yhdysvallat. Emme tehneet paljon täällä Yhdysvaltojen tasolla. Jotkut valtiot ovat yrittäneet muuttua tuohon suuntaan, mutta mielestäni, mitä tärkeää tästä on, on se, että olet oikeastaan oikeassa. Tämä todella tärkeä teknologia on käsitellyt vain muutama, suurin piirtein, mies.

And what we saw in this courtroom was just a lot of pettiness, a lot of personal animus towards one another. And you saw it in the emails. You saw it not just in the testimony, but in the emails and the text. It was like kids in the playground, wasn't it? Yeah. You saw Musk, for example, offering to give his co-founders at OpenAI Tesla Model 3s while they were negotiating how much control he would get. You have...

Sam Altman sanoi, että yhdessä Elon Muskin idea, että antaa open AI lapsille, on yllättynyt. Olemme oppineet, että Muskin antoi syrjään yhdelle yritykselle, kun hän näki, että hän ei ollut lapsilla, joilla on myös lapsia.

a board member at OpenAI. I mean, it's just unbelievable. And then on Altman's side, we've heard of the manipulation, the alleged lying. And, you know, Musk's lawyer opening his questioning with questions about, are you trustworthy? And, you know, just having a lot of fun with that. You could see the lawyer really, really enjoyed that line of questioning.

Olen todella iloinen, että voit esittää esimerkkinä Ericka Schmidta, Google-johtaja, koska mielestäni se on todellinen taito. Berkleyn yliopistossa on järjestelmä, joka aloittaa lapsia sosiaalisen media-appien jälkeen. Mielestäni siinä on todella parempia paralleleita. AI on olemassa olemassa.

elämässämme tavallaan, jota emme kaikki halua olemaan. Jos tekee Google-tutkimuksen nyt, minä tulen tekemään jotain AI-tutkimusta, Google Gemini-tutkimuksesta, onko minä tykkään siitä vai en, onko minä pyydän siitä vai en. Ja nämä lapset Berkley-kampusissa sanovat, että me olimme yleensä guinea-pigit sosiaalisesta mediasta, ja se on muuttanut ympäristöämme, se on muuttanut sosiaalisesta elämäämme tavallaan, jolla emme ole onnellisia.

We just think that's really unfair and we want to spread the word. I think this ties back into AI also, this idea that we are once again, all of us, guinea pigs in this grand experiment being helmed by these billionaires.

I think there's a lot more awareness about the potential problems with just allowing tech to dominate our lives in particular ways. I think there's a lot more resistance to AI given the experience with social media than there would have otherwise been.

Sam Altman kertoi tänään yli kaksi tuntia. Hän kertoi ensimmäisen suhteen Elon Muskin kanssa. Hän kertoi, että multibillionaari teki kriittisiä kontribuutteja OpenAIin ensimmäisenä. Hän kertoi myös, että Musk halusi sen olevan myös hyödyllinen. Hän kertoi tänään, että hänen kasvattomuutonsa...

at what he calls Musk's demands for control. So back when Musk testified a couple weeks ago, he acknowledged he wanted initial control, said that would diminish over time as more investors came in. Tuesday we heard from Altman that he was unsettled by Elon Musk's reluctance to put that commitment that control would be diminished over time, to put that into writing. He suspected he wanted long-term control. He called into question this hair-raising moment as he described it.

In which OpenAI co-founders asked Musk, well, what happens if you die? To which Musk allegedly responded that control could potentially pass on to his own children, which was a very alarming moment to Altman. And it certainly got a lot of attention in the gallery in the courtroom today. And this is a very different version of events from that being given by Mr. Musk.

Ultimately this case is about whether Sam Altman breached a commitment to keep OpenAI as a non-profit. Musk has repeatedly said that he had made such a commitment. Altman says that no, there was no such commitment made. That is very much in line with some of the more recent witnesses that we've heard from. Just yesterday we heard from Microsoft CEO Sati Nadella, who said he was not aware.

of any such commitments after all the due diligence that Microsoft's lawyer went into as they began a strategic partnership with OpenAI in 2019. Elias Sutskever, who is a former chief scientist at OpenAI, also a co-founder there, also said he was aware of no such commitment. So in that respect, Must's case is somewhat falling apart. And Lily, when are we expecting a verdict? And what could it mean for OpenAI and its place in the AI race?

This jury could begin deliberations as early as Thursday, perhaps more likely on Monday, but any day now. And we have no idea how long that would take. It could take a few hours. It could take several days. But ultimately, if Musk gets his way and wins this case, what he wants to do is see Sam Altman ousted. And he wants to see these for-profit entities that OpenAI has created in recent years unwound to basically have it revert back to

Well, Asma, this is the tech trial of the century for us here on the Tech Beat. That's Lily Jamali, the BBC's North America technology correspondent. She's been in Oakland, California, covering this landmark trial between Elon Musk and Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI. And in order to get access to the courtroom, you either need to have had a media pass, which we do, or you got to get in line around five in the morning and just hope that you get a seat.

Elon Musk and OpenAI CEO Sam Altman actually started OpenAI together with some others back in 2015. And it was a non-profit, that was the vision for it, that was supposed to develop AI technology safely. And Musk gave a lot of the money for it starting, is that right? That's exactly right. He ended up donating somewhere on the order of 38 million dollars to