Linda Mims

And you know, if you have the illness, it's very stigmatizing.

I don't usually use that word because I find in these diseases, discrimination is more what it is.

And it

People weren't seeing these folks on the streets untreated.

I do not think that they would think that those people were bad if they understood that they're sick.

And most of the time, people will say, well, why the heck don't they get help?

Because they can't.

It's so complex and so siloed.

If there was more coordination between all the different agencies and people that service people with these illnesses and more accountability and outcome measures that really show.

what is being successful.

And by success, I mean getting people stable and in recovery and living their best lives.

That's my measurement of success.

But a lot of these programs and things that we have have different success measures, measures that are not applicable to what we want the outcomes to be.

So that's one thing.

Also, I would add to Judge Max that you always bring it down to how much money

The legislator is going to save his constituents or her constituents.

And the thing is that if you treat these diseases correctly up front, you are going to save a ton of money because when you jail somebody, it costs so much per day, hospitalized, etc.

And I used to work for a U.S.

senator.

Believe me, money, money talks.