Lindsay Zoladz

It never feels like homework to listen to.

So I think it's very cool that you have A-listers making records like this that just feel so...

in conversation with the past, but still feel so present and even forward-looking in a lot of ways, too.

I mean, that definitely tipped the scales in my direction as a Mets fan.

Yeah, it's intergenerational in that way that you're talking about too.

And I think you hear that, you know, Bad Bunny also is talked about.

It's sort of him going back to his parents or his grandparents' generation of music.

Certain sounds that you associated with like older people, quote unquote, and you get to a certain age and you really start to appreciate that.

Yeah.

So I think while he's working in a very specific lineage and referencing a specific culture, I think that's such a universal experience that is part of the reason this album resonates well beyond and has really, I think, expanded his fan base even more.

And it's something she, I don't want to say originated, but it's a throwback to bad romance.

It's a throwback to the fame era.

That's a very specific Lady Gaga thing we both love, too.

Her recurrent wish to learn German that comes up in multiple songs.

Who among us?

Yeah, yeah.

I think what I really like about Abracadabra in particular, it's she's playing around with this concept of fan service that we hear a lot about these days.

That sort of meaning you're pandering to your fans.

You're giving them exactly what they want at a time when fans can be very vocal online, that you're getting instant feedback as an artist.

I think fan service is a term usually used derisively.