Lindsay Zoladz

Feels like she's been, yeah.

Yeah, it was this Grammys.

Yeah.

This year's been too long.

February.

Yeah, yeah.

So she was incredibly famous this year, someone who suddenly has a very high profile.

And she also chose to just lean more into the music she had already put out.

She did a tour that Karen and I both got to see on her mixtape, Alligator Bites Never Heal.

And she seems like someone who's confident in taking her time.

Mm-hmm.

It's so easy to just put out music.

You know, there's just a slow drip of music constantly coming out.

And to go back to Bieber releasing basically every song he recorded for Swag.

And, you know, in the streaming era...

more is considered more.

And I think what was refreshing about Chapel Roan and Dochi following these years with a little bit of withholding, a little bit of, I'm going to give you the next thing when I'm ready, not I'm just going to throw everything out there and see what sticks.

So I think they're approaching their careers in a more considered way, and that makes me more excited for what they do have coming next.

And I did, while I didn't love Man's Best Friend, the whole album she put out, she had one of my favorite hits of the year in Man Child.

Yeah, and I think another... Because I agree that there was a turning point in the way that this album was received and talked about.