Lisa Bevere

I'm doing great. Slightly jet lagged, so I'm not sure what's going to come out, but I'm up for it.

I'm doing great. Slightly jet lagged, so I'm not sure what's going to come out, but I'm up for it.

Yeah, there was 4,000 people. That was amazing. 4,000 smart people. There was a crowd.

Yeah, there was 4,000 people. That was amazing. 4,000 smart people. There was a crowd.

Next year. Next year.

Next year. Next year.

I'm super excited to be on. You guys are my dynamic. I am the mother of four men and of course the wife of one man. So men is my world. So I love that.

I'm super excited to be on. You guys are my dynamic. I am the mother of four men and of course the wife of one man. So men is my world. So I love that.

Well, you know, my husband is Italian and I'm Sicilian. And how we distinguish those two is Italians are known for feeding people. And I would even say dressing them. But Sicilians are known for killing people. So we have a little bit of a different parenting and lives. Yeah.

Well, you know, my husband is Italian and I'm Sicilian. And how we distinguish those two is Italians are known for feeding people. And I would even say dressing them. But Sicilians are known for killing people. So we have a little bit of a different parenting and lives. Yeah.

That is not a lie. Pasta, pasta.

That is not a lie. Pasta, pasta.

Absolutely. And, you know, crawl spaces are scary spaces. So definitely if you put something in a crawl space, it's not going to stay there long. No, John and I have some similar stories. I don't know if you've ever heard John talk about this, but John was addicted to pornography. And so he thought getting married was going to fix that. He thought, OK, I'll get married and then that will fix it.

Absolutely. And, you know, crawl spaces are scary spaces. So definitely if you put something in a crawl space, it's not going to stay there long. No, John and I have some similar stories. I don't know if you've ever heard John talk about this, but John was addicted to pornography. And so he thought getting married was going to fix that. He thought, OK, I'll get married and then that will fix it.

And then I brought my my own issues to our marriage. I had been raised to be an exceptional heathen. And so I was trying out for the University of Arizona sexually gymnastics team. I mean, I was just like full on heathen. Heard about the love of God. And actually, John illegally dated me. He invited me to a Bible study picnic. I heard free food. I go to this picnic.

And then I brought my my own issues to our marriage. I had been raised to be an exceptional heathen. And so I was trying out for the University of Arizona sexually gymnastics team. I mean, I was just like full on heathen. Heard about the love of God. And actually, John illegally dated me. He invited me to a Bible study picnic. I heard free food. I go to this picnic.

I hear about that when God looks at me, he would no longer see me, but he would see Jesus. And I realized that I was covered in shame. And so I interrupted John while he was singing awkwardly in 1981. This was not the best Christian music season. And I said, hey, is this true? Is this true that God could ever look at me and not see me? And John was like, absolutely.

I hear about that when God looks at me, he would no longer see me, but he would see Jesus. And I realized that I was covered in shame. And so I interrupted John while he was singing awkwardly in 1981. This was not the best Christian music season. And I said, hey, is this true? Is this true that God could ever look at me and not see me? And John was like, absolutely.

And we went walking on Purdue's campus. He starts witnessing to me. I interrupt him. I think that 70s Thief of the Night movie is going to happen. John's going to disappear. I'm going to get beheaded. I'm like, I need to do this right now. On my first date with John, I got born again. I got saved. I was like, I don't know what we need to do. Light candles.

And we went walking on Purdue's campus. He starts witnessing to me. I interrupt him. I think that 70s Thief of the Night movie is going to happen. John's going to disappear. I'm going to get beheaded. I'm like, I need to do this right now. On my first date with John, I got born again. I got saved. I was like, I don't know what we need to do. Light candles.

Like what needs to happen needs to happen right now. And, you know, I got born again. And then John said, now you're safe. I said, what does that even mean? And he had no idea. He was talking to a 21-year-old girl who had an eating disorder, who had lactose intolerance, who had so much sexual shame. And he said, well, salvation means you're whole again, spirit, soul, and body.

Like what needs to happen needs to happen right now. And, you know, I got born again. And then John said, now you're safe. I said, what does that even mean? And he had no idea. He was talking to a 21-year-old girl who had an eating disorder, who had lactose intolerance, who had so much sexual shame. And he said, well, salvation means you're whole again, spirit, soul, and body.

And I don't know why I picked the easiest one, but I said, so I can have cheese now that I'm a Christian? You said I could have cheese. He said, I never said that. He said he had never said that before. I want cheese. I want cheese. I'm Italian. I want cheese. And so he was so nervous, guys. He had me do a fill in the blank prayer, which looks like thank you, Jesus, for healing me up.

And I don't know why I picked the easiest one, but I said, so I can have cheese now that I'm a Christian? You said I could have cheese. He said, I never said that. He said he had never said that before. I want cheese. I want cheese. I'm Italian. I want cheese. And so he was so nervous, guys. He had me do a fill in the blank prayer, which looks like thank you, Jesus, for healing me up.

And I just put the word in lactose intolerance. And I felt this love come into my body and untie all the knots that have been in my stomach since I was 15. And I was completely healed. I mean, crazy, amazing. But there are certain things that God's like, I'm going to do this one. I'm going to do this one for you. But then there's others you're going to have to walk out.

And I just put the word in lactose intolerance. And I felt this love come into my body and untie all the knots that have been in my stomach since I was 15. And I was completely healed. I mean, crazy, amazing. But there are certain things that God's like, I'm going to do this one. I'm going to do this one for you. But then there's others you're going to have to walk out.

And it's interesting, though, you're talking about. I think there's two of my most popular podcasts. One is on demons. I'm like, who knew? 500,000 views about the demonic. And then the second one was about how I almost destroyed our marriage. How how my fear and my need to control and and I did not walk well with my husband from a place of bondage to freedom.

And it's interesting, though, you're talking about. I think there's two of my most popular podcasts. One is on demons. I'm like, who knew? 500,000 views about the demonic. And then the second one was about how I almost destroyed our marriage. How how my fear and my need to control and and I did not walk well with my husband from a place of bondage to freedom.

You know, John, John, often as people say, what was what was Lisa's response to, you know, your wrestling with that? Because that was the first four years of our marriage. And I always when people ask me, I say I didn't navigate it well. I did not come to my husband and say, I believe you want to change and I'll support you. I shamed him. And so many women make this mistake.

You know, John, John, often as people say, what was what was Lisa's response to, you know, your wrestling with that? Because that was the first four years of our marriage. And I always when people ask me, I say I didn't navigate it well. I did not come to my husband and say, I believe you want to change and I'll support you. I shamed him. And so many women make this mistake.

They say, oh, if my husband has a problem with pornography, that's his problem. What was his problem before you got married? Now it's Your problem. It's not that you caused it. It's not that you're less than. But when something comes into a marriage, then the two become one. They need to fight it together. And so I wish I would have. I wish I would have been there for him on that. I wasn't.

They say, oh, if my husband has a problem with pornography, that's his problem. What was his problem before you got married? Now it's Your problem. It's not that you caused it. It's not that you're less than. But when something comes into a marriage, then the two become one. They need to fight it together. And so I wish I would have. I wish I would have been there for him on that. I wasn't.

I was dealing with my own issues of shame of thinking, well, because I had been promiscuous, why would I think I deserved anything better? And so the first four years of our marriage, were very broken years. You made it longer than we did. We exploded year four. And I'd had my first baby. And here's the thing. I was working full-time. John was working part-time. I have this beautiful child.

I was dealing with my own issues of shame of thinking, well, because I had been promiscuous, why would I think I deserved anything better? And so the first four years of our marriage, were very broken years. You made it longer than we did. We exploded year four. And I'd had my first baby. And here's the thing. I was working full-time. John was working part-time. I have this beautiful child.

I am breastfeeding him. I'm pumping my breasts at work. I'm a crazy woman. I'm making all the food. My shoulders are attached to my ears. I'm all stressed out. And I'm nagging my husband. I'm thinking, this man doesn't do anything. And one day, I'm in the shower because I'm trying to release the tension in my shoulders. And I literally...

I am breastfeeding him. I'm pumping my breasts at work. I'm a crazy woman. I'm making all the food. My shoulders are attached to my ears. I'm all stressed out. And I'm nagging my husband. I'm thinking, this man doesn't do anything. And one day, I'm in the shower because I'm trying to release the tension in my shoulders. And I literally...

hear this question, you don't think John's a good head of the household, do you? And I thought, no, I know he's not. And I hear you think you can do it better. I was like, I know I am doing it better. And then I heard, but it's a yoke to you, Lisa. And it's a mantle to John. Throw it off.

hear this question, you don't think John's a good head of the household, do you? And I thought, no, I know he's not. And I hear you think you can do it better. I was like, I know I am doing it better. And then I heard, but it's a yoke to you, Lisa. And it's a mantle to John. Throw it off.

And then all of a sudden, I don't know if you've ever had this happen where you have been so demeaning or hateful and you thought in the moment you were funny or wise. It was like a replay. And I just started crying. And I remember I threw on a robe. I went to John. I said, listen, I am so sorry. I thought submission. meant that if I agreed with you, I did it.

And then all of a sudden, I don't know if you've ever had this happen where you have been so demeaning or hateful and you thought in the moment you were funny or wise. It was like a replay. And I just started crying. And I remember I threw on a robe. I went to John. I said, listen, I am so sorry. I thought submission. meant that if I agreed with you, I did it.

And if not, I fought you tooth and nail every inch of the way. And I said, I will quit my job tomorrow. I said, I just want to be one again. And John said, I don't think you need to quit your job, but I do think you need to quit thinking you're the source. Because we can know that God is the source or we think we're the source.

And if not, I fought you tooth and nail every inch of the way. And I said, I will quit my job tomorrow. I said, I just want to be one again. And John said, I don't think you need to quit your job, but I do think you need to quit thinking you're the source. Because we can know that God is the source or we think we're the source.

And I watched my husband go from a little boy that I nagged like a mother to a man that I respected as a leader when I stopped being his mother and I started to be his wife.

And I watched my husband go from a little boy that I nagged like a mother to a man that I respected as a leader when I stopped being his mother and I started to be his wife.

Well, and I do think there's been an emasculation of men and women trying to be men. And I mean, we've had this gender confusion as far as not. I don't even like to use that word anymore. We've got more roles confused where men have been shamed into trying to be more like women. Women have been told, if you want to be powerful as a woman, act like a man.

Well, and I do think there's been an emasculation of men and women trying to be men. And I mean, we've had this gender confusion as far as not. I don't even like to use that word anymore. We've got more roles confused where men have been shamed into trying to be more like women. Women have been told, if you want to be powerful as a woman, act like a man.

And so now we've got all these confused roles. And then if my husband, I love my husband. I have the best husband in the world. I always tell John, you are my favorite husband. He's like, I'm your only one. This version, John 2.0, 3.0, whatever. This is my favorite. But the truth is, John is not my source of life.

And so now we've got all these confused roles. And then if my husband, I love my husband. I have the best husband in the world. I always tell John, you are my favorite husband. He's like, I'm your only one. This version, John 2.0, 3.0, whatever. This is my favorite. But the truth is, John is not my source of life.

I love being a mother. There's nothing I love more than being a mother and a grandmother, but my grandchildren and my children aren't my source of life. If I do not get my life from Jesus.

I love being a mother. There's nothing I love more than being a mother and a grandmother, but my grandchildren and my children aren't my source of life. If I do not get my life from Jesus.

Yes. Yes. I've written books. Yes. You know, I'm a New York Times bestselling author. Do you know what happens when that happens? Nothing. You get an email. That's it. If you live your whole life for some kind of achievement, nothing. You will live empty. And there comes a place where you realize that, you know, I live my husband to serve Jesus and serve him.

Yes. Yes. I've written books. Yes. You know, I'm a New York Times bestselling author. Do you know what happens when that happens? Nothing. You get an email. That's it. If you live your whole life for some kind of achievement, nothing. You will live empty. And there comes a place where you realize that, you know, I live my husband to serve Jesus and serve him.

I mean, just even even it was so shocking to me. And women, they want to be loved. But I think I just posted something about marriages to people committed to bringing out the best in one another. Whereas early on in our marriage, we're trying to best one another. And women say things like, well, what if my husband's not committed to bringing out the best in me? I'm like, be the bigger person.

I mean, just even even it was so shocking to me. And women, they want to be loved. But I think I just posted something about marriages to people committed to bringing out the best in one another. Whereas early on in our marriage, we're trying to best one another. And women say things like, well, what if my husband's not committed to bringing out the best in me? I'm like, be the bigger person.

I mean, it's like people are so self-centered. So like it needs to be about me, my needs, my dreams, my hope. Well, there's no just me anymore once you get married. It's a one. And, and, and it's, it's just, it's so sad because so many people are missing the richness of marriage. John and I've been married 43 years this year. And I love it more now than I did when I married him.

I mean, it's like people are so self-centered. So like it needs to be about me, my needs, my dreams, my hope. Well, there's no just me anymore once you get married. It's a one. And, and, and it's, it's just, it's so sad because so many people are missing the richness of marriage. John and I've been married 43 years this year. And I love it more now than I did when I married him.

Yeah, I mean, I think you're actually painting a very accurate picture of some of the things that we went through. My husband being a minister, it was almost like a badge of honor to say, I was only home three days this month and I have this many miles on my flights. And I told John, We get you at your worst. You come home and it's a laundry drop. And you're tired, you're grumpy with the boys.

Yeah, I mean, I think you're actually painting a very accurate picture of some of the things that we went through. My husband being a minister, it was almost like a badge of honor to say, I was only home three days this month and I have this many miles on my flights. And I told John, We get you at your worst. You come home and it's a laundry drop. And you're tired, you're grumpy with the boys.

And I used to say, when do you leave again? And he'd be like, why are you saying that? I'd be like, because it's easier when you're gone. And so we had to actually have some conversations around that to keep that a priority. So I'm not allowed to travel and speak unless John approves my schedule and I approve his.

And I used to say, when do you leave again? And he'd be like, why are you saying that? I'd be like, because it's easier when you're gone. And so we had to actually have some conversations around that to keep that a priority. So I'm not allowed to travel and speak unless John approves my schedule and I approve his.

So when he gets invited, it gets sent to me and I see his schedule and then we talk it over. I have, I think, 48 hours to either talk to him about it or approve. If I don't answer, then it's an automatic approve. But we always sit down and we say, okay, this is what this looks like. If you go on this trip or if I go on this trip, we will not see each other for 10 days. Are we okay with that?

So when he gets invited, it gets sent to me and I see his schedule and then we talk it over. I have, I think, 48 hours to either talk to him about it or approve. If I don't answer, then it's an automatic approve. But we always sit down and we say, okay, this is what this looks like. If you go on this trip or if I go on this trip, we will not see each other for 10 days. Are we okay with that?

And then we're like, OK, we're OK with that if we can make margin over here for us.

And then we're like, OK, we're OK with that if we can make margin over here for us.

And so we've made our time together a priority. And again, we're empty nesters, but I already mentioned John's Italian, I'm Sicilian. We have six of our nine grandkids down the street. We walk down the street almost every single night, read books to grandkids, kiss them goodnight. We want to be close to family, but we also want our kids to be able to build their own family.

And so we've made our time together a priority. And again, we're empty nesters, but I already mentioned John's Italian, I'm Sicilian. We have six of our nine grandkids down the street. We walk down the street almost every single night, read books to grandkids, kiss them goodnight. We want to be close to family, but we also want our kids to be able to build their own family.

So we're watching our kids do it better because of our mistakes. I want to tell you guys this crazy story because I feel like it fits into what's going on behind the marriage. So I live here in Franklin, Tennessee. It's a Christian bubble. There's a coffee shop, and I was interviewing someone for a job, and I decided to wear this T-shirt that said, the future is male and female.

So we're watching our kids do it better because of our mistakes. I want to tell you guys this crazy story because I feel like it fits into what's going on behind the marriage. So I live here in Franklin, Tennessee. It's a Christian bubble. There's a coffee shop, and I was interviewing someone for a job, and I decided to wear this T-shirt that said, the future is male and female.

The men were looking at me, smiling, like, thank you. Thank you for including us in the future. I'm like, you're welcome. I had some women come up to me, and they're like, I want that T-shirt. I thought, okay, everybody's happy. So I put on sunglasses and I take a selfie and I write, the future is male and female. And because without male and female, there is no future. And that's not really deep.

The men were looking at me, smiling, like, thank you. Thank you for including us in the future. I'm like, you're welcome. I had some women come up to me, and they're like, I want that T-shirt. I thought, okay, everybody's happy. So I put on sunglasses and I take a selfie and I write, the future is male and female. And because without male and female, there is no future. And that's not really deep.

That's just your parents. And so I'm thinking everybody's happy. 922 comments later, people have blown up my social media. You are co-signing with patriarchy. You're a Karen, which as a, I have dual citizenship with Italy. I'm like, you just called me a Karen. Okay. A bigot, a demon of hate, a transphobe, a homophobe, just all this.

That's just your parents. And so I'm thinking everybody's happy. 922 comments later, people have blown up my social media. You are co-signing with patriarchy. You're a Karen, which as a, I have dual citizenship with Italy. I'm like, you just called me a Karen. Okay. A bigot, a demon of hate, a transphobe, a homophobe, just all this.

I mean, any possible name that you can think of, I got called it. Then the Christians were fighting with the people for calling me names. And it was so much that I thought anytime there is something this disproportionately responded to, there is something more behind it. So I just typed into my computer and you guys could do this. Google search.

I mean, any possible name that you can think of, I got called it. Then the Christians were fighting with the people for calling me names. And it was so much that I thought anytime there is something this disproportionately responded to, there is something more behind it. So I just typed into my computer and you guys could do this. Google search.

What is the origin of the quote, the future is female? And a Washington Post article came up And it was from, I believe, 2015, but it might have been 16. And it said the origin of the quote, the future is female, was from a lesbian separatist group called Labrys. And I thought, what in the world is Labrys? Well, Labrys is the two-headed axe carried by the Greek and Roman goddesses.

What is the origin of the quote, the future is female? And a Washington Post article came up And it was from, I believe, 2015, but it might have been 16. And it said the origin of the quote, the future is female, was from a lesbian separatist group called Labrys. And I thought, what in the world is Labrys? Well, Labrys is the two-headed axe carried by the Greek and Roman goddesses.

And then it said that the quote, the future is female. I mean, this is crazy. Was a call to war, an invocation and the spell to cast. And Hillary brought it into her campaign. 25% of the proceeds, not profits, go to Planned Parenthood. So they have blood sacrifice. They have witchcraft. They have a call to war. And so there has been a spiritual attack.

And then it said that the quote, the future is female. I mean, this is crazy. Was a call to war, an invocation and the spell to cast. And Hillary brought it into her campaign. 25% of the proceeds, not profits, go to Planned Parenthood. So they have blood sacrifice. They have witchcraft. They have a call to war. And so there has been a spiritual attack.

And if you go back to the roots of all of this, it's always deconstruction of the family, deconstruction of marriage. I had no idea as I deep dived into some of these topics that, and this is crazy. In 1969, 12 women got together in Greenwich Village and they said, why are we here today? And they said, to make a revolution. They said, what kind of revolution? Cultural revolution.

And if you go back to the roots of all of this, it's always deconstruction of the family, deconstruction of marriage. I had no idea as I deep dived into some of these topics that, and this is crazy. In 1969, 12 women got together in Greenwich Village and they said, why are we here today? And they said, to make a revolution. They said, what kind of revolution? Cultural revolution.

How do we make this revolution? They said, by destroying the American family. They said, how do we destroy the American family? By destroying the American patriarch. This is crazy. way back in the 60s. And they said, and how do we destroy the American patriarch? They said, by taking away his power. And I thought, okay, how are they gonna take away his power? By destroying monogamy.

How do we make this revolution? They said, by destroying the American family. They said, how do we destroy the American family? By destroying the American patriarch. This is crazy. way back in the 60s. And they said, and how do we destroy the American patriarch? They said, by taking away his power. And I thought, okay, how are they gonna take away his power? By destroying monogamy.

They understand that what God sent in the motion in the garden, when God said, it's not good for man to be alone. They understood that male and female was a power union. So they said, okay, we got to figure out a way to separate the man and the one. And then they said, how do we destroy monogamy?

They understand that what God sent in the motion in the garden, when God said, it's not good for man to be alone. They understood that male and female was a power union. So they said, okay, we got to figure out a way to separate the man and the one. And then they said, how do we destroy monogamy?

They said, we will promote promiscuity, prostitution, eroticism, which would be pornography and homosexuality. And then they went on to form now the National Organization of Women. That is terrifying. that the feminist agenda in the United States, I'm not talking about early days when they said, let's make sure we can all vote.

They said, we will promote promiscuity, prostitution, eroticism, which would be pornography and homosexuality. And then they went on to form now the National Organization of Women. That is terrifying. that the feminist agenda in the United States, I'm not talking about early days when they said, let's make sure we can all vote.

The feminist agenda, they had achieved their votes, they had achieved this. Now their goal was a Marxist deconstruction of the family. And Zach, you and I were there listening, what was the whole purpose of art? We need to restore the family. We need to restore Judeo-Christian ethics. And so they have been so systematic. And this was something that was always shocking to me.

The feminist agenda, they had achieved their votes, they had achieved this. Now their goal was a Marxist deconstruction of the family. And Zach, you and I were there listening, what was the whole purpose of art? We need to restore the family. We need to restore Judeo-Christian ethics. And so they have been so systematic. And this was something that was always shocking to me.

When I was writing The Fight for Female, when I was looking at who was supporting the trans movement, was women. Like, they were okay with young girls being displaced in sports. They were okay with female prisoners being raped by guys who had decided to identify as women. And I thought, why are they silent?

When I was writing The Fight for Female, when I was looking at who was supporting the trans movement, was women. Like, they were okay with young girls being displaced in sports. They were okay with female prisoners being raped by guys who had decided to identify as women. And I thought, why are they silent?

Well, it's because it supported their agenda that they had started way back in the late 60s.

Well, it's because it supported their agenda that they had started way back in the late 60s.

But she's like the only one. She's like the only one.

But she's like the only one. She's like the only one.

Well, and the great news is he's already won. I mean, Jesus was a lamb slain. Well, what was so crazy, after I looked all this up, my front door opened. I mentioned I lived down the street from my grandkids, which... I think this is what happens. A 14-year-old grandson says, can I have a snack? His parents say no. He gets on his bike, rides down to grandma's house, walks into my pantry.

Well, and the great news is he's already won. I mean, Jesus was a lamb slain. Well, what was so crazy, after I looked all this up, my front door opened. I mentioned I lived down the street from my grandkids, which... I think this is what happens. A 14-year-old grandson says, can I have a snack? His parents say no. He gets on his bike, rides down to grandma's house, walks into my pantry.

I say, yes, you can have whatever you want. So he's rifling through my pantry. And I look at him and I said, Asher, what are your thoughts on the quote, the future is female? And he just looked at me and he said that I'm unnecessary.

I say, yes, you can have whatever you want. So he's rifling through my pantry. And I look at him and I said, Asher, what are your thoughts on the quote, the future is female? And he just looked at me and he said that I'm unnecessary.

Hmm.

Hmm.

And they are saying the suicide rate for 24 to 35-year-old men has never been higher because of exactly that. They have been told they are unnecessary. And all of the toxic masculinity, all of the shaming of what it means to be a man, distortion of what it means to be a woman. For me, this is an attack on the image of God.

And they are saying the suicide rate for 24 to 35-year-old men has never been higher because of exactly that. They have been told they are unnecessary. And all of the toxic masculinity, all of the shaming of what it means to be a man, distortion of what it means to be a woman. For me, this is an attack on the image of God.

And so I'm very outspoken about the sanctity of life and the image of God in male and female.

And so I'm very outspoken about the sanctity of life and the image of God in male and female.

Yeah, I mean, we've got LisaVere.com, but I'm on Instagram, Facebook. I can't even get into my own account on Facebook, but there is a Facebook. And there's, of course, Twitter. I mostly also believe YouTube. I have found so much freedom where you don't have to do these tiny short clips.

Yeah, I mean, we've got LisaVere.com, but I'm on Instagram, Facebook. I can't even get into my own account on Facebook, but there is a Facebook. And there's, of course, Twitter. I mostly also believe YouTube. I have found so much freedom where you don't have to do these tiny short clips.

So having a little bit of an opportunity for longer form content on YouTube and then our books are available on Amazon.

So having a little bit of an opportunity for longer form content on YouTube and then our books are available on Amazon.

I'm doing great. Slightly jet lagged, so I'm not sure what's going to come out, but I'm up for it.

Yeah, there was 4,000 people. That was amazing. 4,000 smart people. There was a crowd.

Next year. Next year.

I'm super excited to be on. You guys are my dynamic. I am the mother of four men and of course the wife of one man. So men is my world. So I love that.

Well, you know, my husband is Italian and I'm Sicilian. And how we distinguish those two is Italians are known for feeding people. And I would even say dressing them. But Sicilians are known for killing people. So we have a little bit of a different parenting and lives. Yeah.

That is not a lie. Pasta, pasta.

Absolutely. And, you know, crawl spaces are scary spaces. So definitely if you put something in a crawl space, it's not going to stay there long. No, John and I have some similar stories. I don't know if you've ever heard John talk about this, but John was addicted to pornography. And so he thought getting married was going to fix that. He thought, OK, I'll get married and then that will fix it.

And then I brought my my own issues to our marriage. I had been raised to be an exceptional heathen. And so I was trying out for the University of Arizona sexually gymnastics team. I mean, I was just like full on heathen. Heard about the love of God. And actually, John illegally dated me. He invited me to a Bible study picnic. I heard free food. I go to this picnic.

I hear about that when God looks at me, he would no longer see me, but he would see Jesus. And I realized that I was covered in shame. And so I interrupted John while he was singing awkwardly in 1981. This was not the best Christian music season. And I said, hey, is this true? Is this true that God could ever look at me and not see me? And John was like, absolutely.

And we went walking on Purdue's campus. He starts witnessing to me. I interrupt him. I think that 70s Thief of the Night movie is going to happen. John's going to disappear. I'm going to get beheaded. I'm like, I need to do this right now. On my first date with John, I got born again. I got saved. I was like, I don't know what we need to do. Light candles.

Like what needs to happen needs to happen right now. And, you know, I got born again. And then John said, now you're safe. I said, what does that even mean? And he had no idea. He was talking to a 21-year-old girl who had an eating disorder, who had lactose intolerance, who had so much sexual shame. And he said, well, salvation means you're whole again, spirit, soul, and body.

And I don't know why I picked the easiest one, but I said, so I can have cheese now that I'm a Christian? You said I could have cheese. He said, I never said that. He said he had never said that before. I want cheese. I want cheese. I'm Italian. I want cheese. And so he was so nervous, guys. He had me do a fill in the blank prayer, which looks like thank you, Jesus, for healing me up.

And I just put the word in lactose intolerance. And I felt this love come into my body and untie all the knots that have been in my stomach since I was 15. And I was completely healed. I mean, crazy, amazing. But there are certain things that God's like, I'm going to do this one. I'm going to do this one for you. But then there's others you're going to have to walk out.

And it's interesting, though, you're talking about. I think there's two of my most popular podcasts. One is on demons. I'm like, who knew? 500,000 views about the demonic. And then the second one was about how I almost destroyed our marriage. How how my fear and my need to control and and I did not walk well with my husband from a place of bondage to freedom.

You know, John, John, often as people say, what was what was Lisa's response to, you know, your wrestling with that? Because that was the first four years of our marriage. And I always when people ask me, I say I didn't navigate it well. I did not come to my husband and say, I believe you want to change and I'll support you. I shamed him. And so many women make this mistake.

They say, oh, if my husband has a problem with pornography, that's his problem. What was his problem before you got married? Now it's Your problem. It's not that you caused it. It's not that you're less than. But when something comes into a marriage, then the two become one. They need to fight it together. And so I wish I would have. I wish I would have been there for him on that. I wasn't.

I was dealing with my own issues of shame of thinking, well, because I had been promiscuous, why would I think I deserved anything better? And so the first four years of our marriage, were very broken years. You made it longer than we did. We exploded year four. And I'd had my first baby. And here's the thing. I was working full-time. John was working part-time. I have this beautiful child.

I am breastfeeding him. I'm pumping my breasts at work. I'm a crazy woman. I'm making all the food. My shoulders are attached to my ears. I'm all stressed out. And I'm nagging my husband. I'm thinking, this man doesn't do anything. And one day, I'm in the shower because I'm trying to release the tension in my shoulders. And I literally...

hear this question, you don't think John's a good head of the household, do you? And I thought, no, I know he's not. And I hear you think you can do it better. I was like, I know I am doing it better. And then I heard, but it's a yoke to you, Lisa. And it's a mantle to John. Throw it off.

And then all of a sudden, I don't know if you've ever had this happen where you have been so demeaning or hateful and you thought in the moment you were funny or wise. It was like a replay. And I just started crying. And I remember I threw on a robe. I went to John. I said, listen, I am so sorry. I thought submission. meant that if I agreed with you, I did it.

And if not, I fought you tooth and nail every inch of the way. And I said, I will quit my job tomorrow. I said, I just want to be one again. And John said, I don't think you need to quit your job, but I do think you need to quit thinking you're the source. Because we can know that God is the source or we think we're the source.

And I watched my husband go from a little boy that I nagged like a mother to a man that I respected as a leader when I stopped being his mother and I started to be his wife.

Well, and I do think there's been an emasculation of men and women trying to be men. And I mean, we've had this gender confusion as far as not. I don't even like to use that word anymore. We've got more roles confused where men have been shamed into trying to be more like women. Women have been told, if you want to be powerful as a woman, act like a man.

And so now we've got all these confused roles. And then if my husband, I love my husband. I have the best husband in the world. I always tell John, you are my favorite husband. He's like, I'm your only one. This version, John 2.0, 3.0, whatever. This is my favorite. But the truth is, John is not my source of life.

I love being a mother. There's nothing I love more than being a mother and a grandmother, but my grandchildren and my children aren't my source of life. If I do not get my life from Jesus.

Yes. Yes. I've written books. Yes. You know, I'm a New York Times bestselling author. Do you know what happens when that happens? Nothing. You get an email. That's it. If you live your whole life for some kind of achievement, nothing. You will live empty. And there comes a place where you realize that, you know, I live my husband to serve Jesus and serve him.

I mean, just even even it was so shocking to me. And women, they want to be loved. But I think I just posted something about marriages to people committed to bringing out the best in one another. Whereas early on in our marriage, we're trying to best one another. And women say things like, well, what if my husband's not committed to bringing out the best in me? I'm like, be the bigger person.

I mean, it's like people are so self-centered. So like it needs to be about me, my needs, my dreams, my hope. Well, there's no just me anymore once you get married. It's a one. And, and, and it's, it's just, it's so sad because so many people are missing the richness of marriage. John and I've been married 43 years this year. And I love it more now than I did when I married him.

Yeah, I mean, I think you're actually painting a very accurate picture of some of the things that we went through. My husband being a minister, it was almost like a badge of honor to say, I was only home three days this month and I have this many miles on my flights. And I told John, We get you at your worst. You come home and it's a laundry drop. And you're tired, you're grumpy with the boys.

And I used to say, when do you leave again? And he'd be like, why are you saying that? I'd be like, because it's easier when you're gone. And so we had to actually have some conversations around that to keep that a priority. So I'm not allowed to travel and speak unless John approves my schedule and I approve his.

So when he gets invited, it gets sent to me and I see his schedule and then we talk it over. I have, I think, 48 hours to either talk to him about it or approve. If I don't answer, then it's an automatic approve. But we always sit down and we say, okay, this is what this looks like. If you go on this trip or if I go on this trip, we will not see each other for 10 days. Are we okay with that?

And then we're like, OK, we're OK with that if we can make margin over here for us.

And so we've made our time together a priority. And again, we're empty nesters, but I already mentioned John's Italian, I'm Sicilian. We have six of our nine grandkids down the street. We walk down the street almost every single night, read books to grandkids, kiss them goodnight. We want to be close to family, but we also want our kids to be able to build their own family.

So we're watching our kids do it better because of our mistakes. I want to tell you guys this crazy story because I feel like it fits into what's going on behind the marriage. So I live here in Franklin, Tennessee. It's a Christian bubble. There's a coffee shop, and I was interviewing someone for a job, and I decided to wear this T-shirt that said, the future is male and female.

The men were looking at me, smiling, like, thank you. Thank you for including us in the future. I'm like, you're welcome. I had some women come up to me, and they're like, I want that T-shirt. I thought, okay, everybody's happy. So I put on sunglasses and I take a selfie and I write, the future is male and female. And because without male and female, there is no future. And that's not really deep.

That's just your parents. And so I'm thinking everybody's happy. 922 comments later, people have blown up my social media. You are co-signing with patriarchy. You're a Karen, which as a, I have dual citizenship with Italy. I'm like, you just called me a Karen. Okay. A bigot, a demon of hate, a transphobe, a homophobe, just all this.

I mean, any possible name that you can think of, I got called it. Then the Christians were fighting with the people for calling me names. And it was so much that I thought anytime there is something this disproportionately responded to, there is something more behind it. So I just typed into my computer and you guys could do this. Google search.

What is the origin of the quote, the future is female? And a Washington Post article came up And it was from, I believe, 2015, but it might have been 16. And it said the origin of the quote, the future is female, was from a lesbian separatist group called Labrys. And I thought, what in the world is Labrys? Well, Labrys is the two-headed axe carried by the Greek and Roman goddesses.

And then it said that the quote, the future is female. I mean, this is crazy. Was a call to war, an invocation and the spell to cast. And Hillary brought it into her campaign. 25% of the proceeds, not profits, go to Planned Parenthood. So they have blood sacrifice. They have witchcraft. They have a call to war. And so there has been a spiritual attack.

And if you go back to the roots of all of this, it's always deconstruction of the family, deconstruction of marriage. I had no idea as I deep dived into some of these topics that, and this is crazy. In 1969, 12 women got together in Greenwich Village and they said, why are we here today? And they said, to make a revolution. They said, what kind of revolution? Cultural revolution.

How do we make this revolution? They said, by destroying the American family. They said, how do we destroy the American family? By destroying the American patriarch. This is crazy. way back in the 60s. And they said, and how do we destroy the American patriarch? They said, by taking away his power. And I thought, okay, how are they gonna take away his power? By destroying monogamy.

They understand that what God sent in the motion in the garden, when God said, it's not good for man to be alone. They understood that male and female was a power union. So they said, okay, we got to figure out a way to separate the man and the one. And then they said, how do we destroy monogamy?

They said, we will promote promiscuity, prostitution, eroticism, which would be pornography and homosexuality. And then they went on to form now the National Organization of Women. That is terrifying. that the feminist agenda in the United States, I'm not talking about early days when they said, let's make sure we can all vote.

The feminist agenda, they had achieved their votes, they had achieved this. Now their goal was a Marxist deconstruction of the family. And Zach, you and I were there listening, what was the whole purpose of art? We need to restore the family. We need to restore Judeo-Christian ethics. And so they have been so systematic. And this was something that was always shocking to me.

When I was writing The Fight for Female, when I was looking at who was supporting the trans movement, was women. Like, they were okay with young girls being displaced in sports. They were okay with female prisoners being raped by guys who had decided to identify as women. And I thought, why are they silent?

Well, it's because it supported their agenda that they had started way back in the late 60s.

But she's like the only one. She's like the only one.

Well, and the great news is he's already won. I mean, Jesus was a lamb slain. Well, what was so crazy, after I looked all this up, my front door opened. I mentioned I lived down the street from my grandkids, which... I think this is what happens. A 14-year-old grandson says, can I have a snack? His parents say no. He gets on his bike, rides down to grandma's house, walks into my pantry.

I say, yes, you can have whatever you want. So he's rifling through my pantry. And I look at him and I said, Asher, what are your thoughts on the quote, the future is female? And he just looked at me and he said that I'm unnecessary.

Hmm.

And they are saying the suicide rate for 24 to 35-year-old men has never been higher because of exactly that. They have been told they are unnecessary. And all of the toxic masculinity, all of the shaming of what it means to be a man, distortion of what it means to be a woman. For me, this is an attack on the image of God.

And so I'm very outspoken about the sanctity of life and the image of God in male and female.

Yeah, I mean, we've got LisaVere.com, but I'm on Instagram, Facebook. I can't even get into my own account on Facebook, but there is a Facebook. And there's, of course, Twitter. I mostly also believe YouTube. I have found so much freedom where you don't have to do these tiny short clips.

So having a little bit of an opportunity for longer form content on YouTube and then our books are available on Amazon.