Lisa Bodell

I think, first of all, just deciding that you want to is helpful, right? Because I think a lot of people put up with chaos because they feel that it's part of hustle culture. It's busy, right? And busy makes us feel valuable. I think a lot of people also just put up with simplicity, excuse me, complexity, because they feel that it makes them valuable by doing more.

I think, first of all, just deciding that you want to is helpful, right? Because I think a lot of people put up with chaos because they feel that it's part of hustle culture. It's busy, right? And busy makes us feel valuable. I think a lot of people also just put up with simplicity, excuse me, complexity, because they feel that it makes them valuable by doing more.

They typically are rewarded for doing more, not valuable. And they think that they can multitask their way through it, and they can't. It's not just that work is at a breaking point, people are. And so being able to set that you want to simplify is the first step. The second thing is defining what meaningful work is.

They typically are rewarded for doing more, not valuable. And they think that they can multitask their way through it, and they can't. It's not just that work is at a breaking point, people are. And so being able to set that you want to simplify is the first step. The second thing is defining what meaningful work is.

And so as an individual, it would be really helpful to write down all the things that you do in a typical month. and circle the ones that you think are actually meaningful, valuable. And what you'll find is that not many of them are. They're obligations, they're necessary work of work things, status meetings, reports, all that.

And so as an individual, it would be really helpful to write down all the things that you do in a typical month. and circle the ones that you think are actually meaningful, valuable. And what you'll find is that not many of them are. They're obligations, they're necessary work of work things, status meetings, reports, all that.

The things that aren't circle, that aren't valuable, you really have to take a hard look at and say, can I get rid of some of these? Can I change the frequency on them? Can I put them on a time diet? And what that forces you to do is really think about why you do what you do. We don't question the way we work. And What happens is typically we get very defensive.

The things that aren't circle, that aren't valuable, you really have to take a hard look at and say, can I get rid of some of these? Can I change the frequency on them? Can I put them on a time diet? And what that forces you to do is really think about why you do what you do. We don't question the way we work. And What happens is typically we get very defensive.

We get very defensive because we think there's nothing we can get rid of, and that's not true. The other thing that we, once you look through your list and you try to get rid of things or change things that you do, the other, the second half to the exercise is then defining what do you wish you could do?

We get very defensive because we think there's nothing we can get rid of, and that's not true. The other thing that we, once you look through your list and you try to get rid of things or change things that you do, the other, the second half to the exercise is then defining what do you wish you could do?

What do you want to spend your, if you just don't like what you're doing, then what do you wish you were doing? And I don't mean like changing your job. What don't you like about your job? What do you wish you were doing more of in your job that you were hired to do? That's going to help you define what meaningful work is to you.

What do you want to spend your, if you just don't like what you're doing, then what do you wish you were doing? And I don't mean like changing your job. What don't you like about your job? What do you wish you were doing more of in your job that you were hired to do? That's going to help you define what meaningful work is to you.

So that kind of gives you a compass and that allows you to make better choices with your time. The last thing I would say to people, not just deciding you want to do it and then defining it, is really being good about deleting things. And deleting things means saying no. And if you can't say no to meetings or to reports or being included, opt out a couple times and see what happens.

So that kind of gives you a compass and that allows you to make better choices with your time. The last thing I would say to people, not just deciding you want to do it and then defining it, is really being good about deleting things. And deleting things means saying no. And if you can't say no to meetings or to reports or being included, opt out a couple times and see what happens.

Start using the phrase yes if. And the reason that's good is we always think we have to yes and things. In a creative setting, yes and building on is great. In a work setting, it's bad because you are constantly adding. Yes if is if someone asks you to do things, put boundaries on it. Don't just... Make it a transaction with them. It's not okay for someone to take your time.

Start using the phrase yes if. And the reason that's good is we always think we have to yes and things. In a creative setting, yes and building on is great. In a work setting, it's bad because you are constantly adding. Yes if is if someone asks you to do things, put boundaries on it. Don't just... Make it a transaction with them. It's not okay for someone to take your time.

So say, sure, I can do that if you do something for me. I can do it in this timeline. I can make something else. Not a priority, right? There's trade-offs. And I think that starts to teach people that when you request other people's time, you better be willing to know what you're willing to trade off for it. And those are some simple things to get started.

So say, sure, I can do that if you do something for me. I can do it in this timeline. I can make something else. Not a priority, right? There's trade-offs. And I think that starts to teach people that when you request other people's time, you better be willing to know what you're willing to trade off for it. And those are some simple things to get started.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of things that we can do personally at home too, outside of work. And it's easy that you say, it's interesting that you say this because we do tend to think that even in our homes, more is better collecting those kinds of things. It's really, I think it's cathartic. I am a really big organizer, but I'm a big purger.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of things that we can do personally at home too, outside of work. And it's easy that you say, it's interesting that you say this because we do tend to think that even in our homes, more is better collecting those kinds of things. It's really, I think it's cathartic. I am a really big organizer, but I'm a big purger.