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Lisa Bodell

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Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

We teach people by there's the reason why they're important. You first have people the why, and then we actually give people techniques to do it. And we, we apply it to work. That's how you use these skills. So for example, if you want people to be curious, we teach them the technique around asking killer questions.

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

We teach people by there's the reason why they're important. You first have people the why, and then we actually give people techniques to do it. And we, we apply it to work. That's how you use these skills. So for example, if you want people to be curious, we teach them the technique around asking killer questions.

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

And killer questions is about how do you add, learn how to ask really good open-ended questions that are provocative, creative, and really make you think. And there's certain ways to stem a question and then we apply it to work. We use real business challenges and we teach them by doing it over and over again how to actually be more curious. And so that's how we teach it, right?

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

And killer questions is about how do you add, learn how to ask really good open-ended questions that are provocative, creative, and really make you think. And there's certain ways to stem a question and then we apply it to work. We use real business challenges and we teach them by doing it over and over again how to actually be more curious. And so that's how we teach it, right?

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

We give a technique and we apply it to multiple scenarios at work. We then let them go and do it for a while and we come back and coach them again three months later. Because that's the thing about human skills is you have to try it, you have to recalibrate and then you have to try it again. And I think that approach really works for people. When you teach technical skills, you try it.

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

We give a technique and we apply it to multiple scenarios at work. We then let them go and do it for a while and we come back and coach them again three months later. Because that's the thing about human skills is you have to try it, you have to recalibrate and then you have to try it again. And I think that approach really works for people. When you teach technical skills, you try it.

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

Yeah, you adjust, but there's one way to do it. With human-centered skills, it depends on the personality and everyone has to find their own way with that skill. If you're asking about what I would do differently for schools, I think actually applying these in schools is very important because if we learn them better at a young age, we'd be better prepared when we get out into the work world.

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

Yeah, you adjust, but there's one way to do it. With human-centered skills, it depends on the personality and everyone has to find their own way with that skill. If you're asking about what I would do differently for schools, I think actually applying these in schools is very important because if we learn them better at a young age, we'd be better prepared when we get out into the work world.

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

I think there's a key thing we need to change within schools. And schools right now, and I can only speak from my perspective on the West and the United States particularly, is that we are training people to be future employees. And what we should be doing is training them to be future humans. We're not creating employees, we're raising humans.

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

I think there's a key thing we need to change within schools. And schools right now, and I can only speak from my perspective on the West and the United States particularly, is that we are training people to be future employees. And what we should be doing is training them to be future humans. We're not creating employees, we're raising humans.

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

And I'm always fascinated when you go into a school and they teach subject matter expertise. Yes, it's very good to have technical skills, but the future isn't just about technical skills. The future is also about human skills. That's what makes people different. And by teaching more of those human-centered skills in schools, I think that would make people be more prepared for work and for life.

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

And I'm always fascinated when you go into a school and they teach subject matter expertise. Yes, it's very good to have technical skills, but the future isn't just about technical skills. The future is also about human skills. That's what makes people different. And by teaching more of those human-centered skills in schools, I think that would make people be more prepared for work and for life.

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

I also think within schools, it would be really good to teach futuring. It's always stunning to me that we spend so much time learning about history, and we should. We never teach people about actually embracing change and actually thinking about the future. Why?

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

I also think within schools, it would be really good to teach futuring. It's always stunning to me that we spend so much time learning about history, and we should. We never teach people about actually embracing change and actually thinking about the future. Why?

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

I think that's a big opportunity for us to be able to teach people about change, how to think creatively about the future, how to create, think more creatively about their lives so they can be better humans, not just better employees.

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

I think that's a big opportunity for us to be able to teach people about change, how to think creatively about the future, how to create, think more creatively about their lives so they can be better humans, not just better employees.

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

I would first ask her, like, what does she enjoy doing? What does she think really? What are the words that define her? And there's questions you can ask these students. In fact, I know I'm teaching at a high school in the Bronx here in a few weeks and I'm teaching high school students the same thing, which is ask yourself, what could you do forever?

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

I would first ask her, like, what does she enjoy doing? What does she think really? What are the words that define her? And there's questions you can ask these students. In fact, I know I'm teaching at a high school in the Bronx here in a few weeks and I'm teaching high school students the same thing, which is ask yourself, what could you do forever?

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

And you just lose track of time because you're just so lost in the flow. What would you like to be known for? What would you be proud to say that you do? Those are the kinds of questions you should really ask yourself and then talk to people in those fields.

Chief Change Officer
#386 Lisa Bodell: Stop Drowning in Complexity—How Simplicity Fuels Innovation — Part Two

And you just lose track of time because you're just so lost in the flow. What would you like to be known for? What would you be proud to say that you do? Those are the kinds of questions you should really ask yourself and then talk to people in those fields.