Lisa Hagan
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first heard Apr 2025
last heard Apr 2025
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Well, there were about 200 attendees. This was the second ever natal con. The first one was held two years ago and it was half the size. Still a pretty small conference. And I think what's interesting. interesting about it is that there were a lot of different kinds of messages. The tone had also shifted quite a bit from the first iteration of the conference.
So you heard everything from people saying, you know, we should have a child tax credit increase to, you know, our enemies are the enemies of humanity and that sort of language.
Oh, 95% men, absolutely. 95% men? Yeah. Yes. So another interesting thing to note there, right, is like some there were supposed to be some women speakers. They have lots of kids. So some of them, their kids got sick or child care, like whatever. Right. Things fall through. I think there are some natural ways in which it ends up being a lot of dudes who are talking about this.
The other thing is this was a very, very white crowd. And I say that as someone who's been in a lot of sort of right wing spaces. They're not always this white. There weren't no people of color there, but it's just important to sort of say that about who was gathered there.
You know, NatalCon is a bit of a, I would say, pie-in-the-sky kind of gathering. It's very open to a lot of ideas that would take a lot of political change to actually bring into being, like parental voting, for instance. You know, having parents vote on behalf of their minor children. That was suggested, I don't know... I think that would be very hard to bring about.
You know, you hear things about like the child tax credit or getting rid of no-fault divorce. But what I would say I think is the through line always is that there's something off about culture and that culture specifically needs to change. and that mainstream culture has devalued motherhood, those kinds of arguments.
So that's sort of one of the bigger things that you'll hear a lot about how culture needs to change. I mean, you also will hear sort of traditionalist religious arguments like people need to stop having abortions or pornography should be banned or we need to rein in technology so that young people are looking less at their phones and more focused on having babies. I mean, I think it's a lot of
more generalized stuff about culture needing to change.
The first time I heard of the Collinses, and I think this was a moment that maybe anyone who's heard of them possibly saw, is there was an article that sort of named them the elite couple breeding to save mankind. which is a great headline. And, you know, they have a very specific visual appearance. Simone Collins wears very chunky, memorable glasses. She dresses in a specific way.
Sort of, but like from Etsy, as she will tell you. They are very open about having designed their look and their appeal to draw attention. They have four children now. They have another one on the way. They plan to have as many as possible. And Simone has said that she is willing to die in childbirth to have as many kids as possible and sort of, you know, advance this movement.
You know, my understanding with the Collinses is that everything they do is sort of calculated to have some public impact and seem pretty interesting to people. Yeah, they've optimized their image to kind of go viral online, right? To gain attention. Absolutely. That's exactly right. They have a YouTube show and podcast called Based Camp.
They, you know, to a lot of mainstream media, they sort of try to present themselves as... maybe not on the left or liberal necessarily, but not classically conservative. And they talk a lot about wanting, you know, to preserve cultures that are open to LGBTQ folks and racial diversity and that sort of thing. On their podcasts, they sound a lot like a lot of right-wing influencer types.
They talk about something called the urban monoculture, which Malcolm Collins has defined as, you know, being woke or just liberal culture in general. And he basically says that that's like cultural genocide. It only survives by creating popular culture. And parasitizing children from other more healthy cultural groups.
And what the Collinses are talking about with urban monoculture is, you know, you may want to raise your children and your family in a certain way, but modern mainstream society is going to try to pull them away from you in ways that you hate. And that's what they mean by sort of parasitizing, like stealing children, essentially.
It certainly depends on the community that you're looking at. And as you say, there is no way to say that all pronatalists are racists or interested in those kinds of politics at all. However, you know, it is a big conversation on the far, far right. Discussions and fears about birth rates show up in the manifestos of mass shooters who are talking very explicitly about births.
being replaced, white people being replaced by other races. On the other hand, you know, at an event like NatalCon, where there are lots of mainstream journalists, You'll hear a different kind of language. Most people are a lot more careful about that sort of thing.
But you also hear from folks like right-wing political operative Jack Posobiec talking about, you know, the enemies of humanity and how we need to save Australia and Europe and America specifically. And so... It's always kind of couched, but the language of sort of fear around immigration trends is present a lot of the times.
Catholics are also a big part of this movement. You know, you have J.D. Vance. You have other Catholic speakers who are at NatalCon. So certainly the religious interest is broad.
Yeah. They say that they've used a lot of procedures in their births. They're very pro. They are interested in leveraging any and all technology that exists sort of without limitations, really.
I just want to also mention expanding the child tax credit is something that J.D. Vance has talked about specifically. And he had an opportunity to vote to expand and extend the child tax credit and did not. So I think something that's important to mention is that the pronatalist groups, for the most part,
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