Lisa Hagan

have a tendency to be very supportive of the Trump administration and specifically what Elon Musk is doing with Doge. But, you know, these are, as Karen is talking about, these are not policies generally associated with helping families that are struggling.

have a tendency to be very supportive of the Trump administration and specifically what Elon Musk is doing with Doge. But, you know, these are, as Karen is talking about, these are not policies generally associated with helping families that are struggling.

have a tendency to be very supportive of the Trump administration and specifically what Elon Musk is doing with Doge. But, you know, these are, as Karen is talking about, these are not policies generally associated with helping families that are struggling.

It also deeply ignores the fact that those are really personal decisions that carry real health risks for people giving birth, right? So it's a very specific focus on the product of the birth rather than the person doing the birthing.

It also deeply ignores the fact that those are really personal decisions that carry real health risks for people giving birth, right? So it's a very specific focus on the product of the birth rather than the person doing the birthing.

It also deeply ignores the fact that those are really personal decisions that carry real health risks for people giving birth, right? So it's a very specific focus on the product of the birth rather than the person doing the birthing.

Of course, there are folks, especially on the sort of religious end of pronatal advocacy, who disagree. you know, say, you know, I don't love everything about the way that Elon Musk is building his family. But there is a sometimes explicit, sometimes underlying acknowledgement that he is the biggest beacon of this issue. He's very rich. He's very powerful.

Of course, there are folks, especially on the sort of religious end of pronatal advocacy, who disagree. you know, say, you know, I don't love everything about the way that Elon Musk is building his family. But there is a sometimes explicit, sometimes underlying acknowledgement that he is the biggest beacon of this issue. He's very rich. He's very powerful.

Of course, there are folks, especially on the sort of religious end of pronatal advocacy, who disagree. you know, say, you know, I don't love everything about the way that Elon Musk is building his family. But there is a sometimes explicit, sometimes underlying acknowledgement that he is the biggest beacon of this issue. He's very rich. He's very powerful.

And folks in the pronatalist movement, though they may not agree with the way that he's living his life, they would all love his support and for him to continue doing exactly what he's doing. And so that sort of tells you about the focus on purpose rather than any of the specific values or disagreements these communities may have with each other.

And folks in the pronatalist movement, though they may not agree with the way that he's living his life, they would all love his support and for him to continue doing exactly what he's doing. And so that sort of tells you about the focus on purpose rather than any of the specific values or disagreements these communities may have with each other.

And folks in the pronatalist movement, though they may not agree with the way that he's living his life, they would all love his support and for him to continue doing exactly what he's doing. And so that sort of tells you about the focus on purpose rather than any of the specific values or disagreements these communities may have with each other.

Oh, yeah. NatalCon was a very celebratory moment for folks. They certainly wouldn't argue and say that they've brought this conversation about, but they're so excited by the fact that things that they were talking about, you know, previous to this iteration of the Trump administration are now being discussed by people in very powerful positions in our country. Absolutely.

Oh, yeah. NatalCon was a very celebratory moment for folks. They certainly wouldn't argue and say that they've brought this conversation about, but they're so excited by the fact that things that they were talking about, you know, previous to this iteration of the Trump administration are now being discussed by people in very powerful positions in our country. Absolutely.

Oh, yeah. NatalCon was a very celebratory moment for folks. They certainly wouldn't argue and say that they've brought this conversation about, but they're so excited by the fact that things that they were talking about, you know, previous to this iteration of the Trump administration are now being discussed by people in very powerful positions in our country. Absolutely.

The other thing that you will hear a lot, you know, there are a lot of different groups, as we've discussed within this movement, but they have a through line. And the through line is that Our current culture is messed up, either culturally or through policy or feminism has screwed things up, birth control, whatever it is.

The other thing that you will hear a lot, you know, there are a lot of different groups, as we've discussed within this movement, but they have a through line. And the through line is that Our current culture is messed up, either culturally or through policy or feminism has screwed things up, birth control, whatever it is.

The other thing that you will hear a lot, you know, there are a lot of different groups, as we've discussed within this movement, but they have a through line. And the through line is that Our current culture is messed up, either culturally or through policy or feminism has screwed things up, birth control, whatever it is.

But what you hear a great deal less about are that there are perhaps other options for why things are messed up. And so I think what this does is it takes dissatisfaction with the very difficult world that we're all trying to survive in

But what you hear a great deal less about are that there are perhaps other options for why things are messed up. And so I think what this does is it takes dissatisfaction with the very difficult world that we're all trying to survive in