Lisa Hagan

But what you hear a great deal less about are that there are perhaps other options for why things are messed up. And so I think what this does is it takes dissatisfaction with the very difficult world that we're all trying to survive in

And it says, hey, the solution is more babies and sort of leaves out this whole range of other things that we might be talking about to improve people's lives and confidence to bring children into the world.

And it says, hey, the solution is more babies and sort of leaves out this whole range of other things that we might be talking about to improve people's lives and confidence to bring children into the world.

And it says, hey, the solution is more babies and sort of leaves out this whole range of other things that we might be talking about to improve people's lives and confidence to bring children into the world.