Lisa Lerer

Yeah, right.

Instead of issues that are more top of mind for voters, like costs of living concerns or even, you know, how the war in Iran will wind down.

So I do think in some ways it's a distraction from these other issues that voters care a lot more about.

Such a diversified desk.

I was really excited to give him a New York Times cooking subscription so that we could share recipes.

And we even just shared a recipe the other day.

The New York Times contributes to our quality time together.

We're reading the same stuff.

We're making the same food.

Well, look, Democrats came out of their 2024 defeat, which was very devastating for the party, with a real sense that they were a party in crisis.

And poll after poll reinforces that you just see large swaths of Democratic voters saying that they don't like their own party.

They don't know what their party stands for.

And this is a party that really is in the wilderness.

And I think you see those divides in the party playing out in a couple of really big fronts today.

Right.

And I think that identity crisis just exploded in Maine, where you had this primary between Governor Janet Mills.

A two-term governor, an eighth-generation Mainer.

The pick of Chuck Schumer, who's the Democratic leader in the Senate.

Yes, the establishment candidate and a very well-known brand in Maine Democratic politics.

And she was facing a very fierce challenge from Grant Plattner.