Liv Hewson

I'm so happy to be here.

I'm so happy to be here.

Oh my God. Wow. Throws and chills around.

Oh my God. Wow. Throws and chills around.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We should. I would love to go back. I would love to watch Ray's mom get flooded with some more.

We should. I would love to go back. I would love to watch Ray's mom get flooded with some more.

Well, easily. My mom could have had any one of those butches that night. It was pretty incredible.

Well, easily. My mom could have had any one of those butches that night. It was pretty incredible.

Thank you. That is generous.

Thank you. That is generous.

Thank you. That's very kind. To a point. I remember at a certain point being like, okay, now I'm going to need to stop. Otherwise, I am going to injure myself and maybe somebody else.

Thank you. That's very kind. To a point. I remember at a certain point being like, okay, now I'm going to need to stop. Otherwise, I am going to injure myself and maybe somebody else.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Wow.

Wow.

What a beautiful image.

What a beautiful image.

Wow. Oh, my God. Can you believe that? I do believe that. I do as well.

Wow. Oh, my God. Can you believe that? I do believe that. I do as well.

I know Ray.

I know Ray.

Because we're allowed to now. We're allowed to.

Because we're allowed to now. We're allowed to.

Yes, we literally were not allowed to talk about the show at all. Which is nuts.

Yes, we literally were not allowed to talk about the show at all. Which is nuts.

Yeah, the thing is, I can't. Say anything about it at all.

Yeah, the thing is, I can't. Say anything about it at all.

Totally. And then I like I said something and I was like, oh, you guys won't have to bleep this. And then they absolutely did.

Totally. And then I like I said something and I was like, oh, you guys won't have to bleep this. And then they absolutely did.

Jasmine I don't know if this qualifies as a prank Jasmine constantly does that thing where she taps somebody on the shoulder and then like walks the other way incredible and nobody's there but I no exaggeration she's been doing this since the first season of the show so it's been

Jasmine I don't know if this qualifies as a prank Jasmine constantly does that thing where she taps somebody on the shoulder and then like walks the other way incredible and nobody's there but I no exaggeration she's been doing this since the first season of the show so it's been

You know what I mean?

You know what I mean?

Oh, yeah. Good cowork a bit. It also does feel very, like, drama class, too. Like, I remember when... When I was in high school, I think, in, like, a theater thing, like, my friends and I had this joke where we would, like, pretend to be, like, a salmon, like, in between people's knees. Oh, yes. Classic. In between the leg. The salmon's left. Yeah, bring that back.

Oh, yeah. Good cowork a bit. It also does feel very, like, drama class, too. Like, I remember when... When I was in high school, I think, in, like, a theater thing, like, my friends and I had this joke where we would, like, pretend to be, like, a salmon, like, in between people's knees. Oh, yes. Classic. In between the leg. The salmon's left. Yeah, bring that back.

Bring that back in the workplace.

Bring that back in the workplace.

In a professional environment, for sure. No issues! Like, cut! Cut!

In a professional environment, for sure. No issues! Like, cut! Cut!

Yeah. No, it's nuts. It's nuts. And it's cool because we've been doing it for a long time now. And like over the years that we've been doing it, we have like more. FaceTime and cross contact with the cast that is the other half of the television show. Right. Like at the beginning, like we would be like, well, we work together, but like we don't work together. Right. Oh, right.

Yeah. No, it's nuts. It's nuts. And it's cool because we've been doing it for a long time now. And like over the years that we've been doing it, we have like more. FaceTime and cross contact with the cast that is the other half of the television show. Right. Like at the beginning, like we would be like, well, we work together, but like we don't work together. Right. Oh, right.

But enough time has passed to like that there's like occasional crossover and we see each other at press stuff all the time. And like we have known each other for ages. Right. That's kind of cool to get to know each other better as time goes on.

But enough time has passed to like that there's like occasional crossover and we see each other at press stuff all the time. And like we have known each other for ages. Right. That's kind of cool to get to know each other better as time goes on.

Yeah, it's sick.

Yeah, it's sick.

It's scary.

It's scary.

Spooky do for sure.

Spooky do for sure.

I so appreciate it. I have to. I sleep for live.

I so appreciate it. I have to. I sleep for live.

I have many friends who are in that position of like, well, I'll just white knuckle through this.

I have many friends who are in that position of like, well, I'll just white knuckle through this.

I'm glad you think so. I certainly think so. It's, The sex scene in season one tested some people I know in real life. Yeah. Yeah, they were like, okay, so we just fast forward that and now we're back on track. Sensational. Sensational. Sensational. And we're back. And we're back. Okay, back to the violence. Good. Much more preferable.

I'm glad you think so. I certainly think so. It's, The sex scene in season one tested some people I know in real life. Yeah. Yeah, they were like, okay, so we just fast forward that and now we're back on track. Sensational. Sensational. Sensational. And we're back. And we're back. Okay, back to the violence. Good. Much more preferable.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much.

The deep V that I've returned to a couple of times is like, is that is all like thanks to having had top surgery and having a tattoo right here. Yeah. You know, it was like, all right, well that is just intuitive then. Yes.

The deep V that I've returned to a couple of times is like, is that is all like thanks to having had top surgery and having a tattoo right here. Yeah. You know, it was like, all right, well that is just intuitive then. Yes.

You gotta show it off.

You gotta show it off.

100%. Not funny. Not funny.

100%. Not funny. Not funny.

You know what I want to do? Spend more money in this area. That's what I would like.

You know what I want to do? Spend more money in this area. That's what I would like.

Bring it on.

Bring it on.

Urgently. Yeah.

Urgently. Yeah.

So there's, my leg hair is, there's a bunch of it, but only on the front of my calves. Stop. Is the back bald? Is the back bald? The back is not completely bald, but it is more sparse. It's more sparse. And then above the knee, absolutely nothing. Wait, same. I don't grow any hair from here on up. And make no mistake, I would love to. For sure. Like, would love to.

So there's, my leg hair is, there's a bunch of it, but only on the front of my calves. Stop. Is the back bald? Is the back bald? The back is not completely bald, but it is more sparse. It's more sparse. And then above the knee, absolutely nothing. Wait, same. I don't grow any hair from here on up. And make no mistake, I would love to. For sure. Like, would love to.

I haven't, like, I've been growing it for, like, most of my adult life at this point. Yes. Surely the majority of it. But not that you would know it by looking most of the time. It's there, but, you know, you'd have to dye it, really. Yeah. To really see it.

I haven't, like, I've been growing it for, like, most of my adult life at this point. Yes. Surely the majority of it. But not that you would know it by looking most of the time. It's there, but, you know, you'd have to dye it, really. Yeah. To really see it.

Oh, yeah. Right?

Oh, yeah. Right?

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, I think so.

And there it is. Yes.

And there it is. Yes.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, the hair does whatever it does. It just, like, grows. But my armpit hair is, like, it's...

Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, the hair does whatever it does. It just, like, grows. But my armpit hair is, like, it's...

it's like a couple of tufts yes like it's it's quite soft it's not um not super coarse or thick again would love it can't stress enough you know i'll start taking rogaine for it whatever needs to happen wait but my armpit hair is very just like like very sort of like i'm here like soft very like condition ladylike arm hair to be honest pretty ladylike pit hair but whatever i'm grateful

it's like a couple of tufts yes like it's it's quite soft it's not um not super coarse or thick again would love it can't stress enough you know i'll start taking rogaine for it whatever needs to happen wait but my armpit hair is very just like like very sort of like i'm here like soft very like condition ladylike arm hair to be honest pretty ladylike pit hair but whatever i'm grateful

That is not me.

That is not me.

Sorry, can you imagine with one of those like facial raises, just like eyebrow slit on your underarm? I do.

Sorry, can you imagine with one of those like facial raises, just like eyebrow slit on your underarm? I do.

I would love that. Okay. Like notch full shave underarm, buzz cut the underarm.

I would love that. Okay. Like notch full shave underarm, buzz cut the underarm.

One slit. Leopard print the underarm. Yes.

One slit. Leopard print the underarm. Yes.

Come on.

Come on.

Oh, no, but I will say that no production has ever been like, listen, actually people have really let me do whatever I want. And on Yellowjackets, actually, at the beginning of season one, they were like, so you guys are stranded in the wilderness? Do whatever. Like, we're not going to make anybody do whatever, but we encourage you to do whatever. And I was like, I'm not doing anything.

Oh, no, but I will say that no production has ever been like, listen, actually people have really let me do whatever I want. And on Yellowjackets, actually, at the beginning of season one, they were like, so you guys are stranded in the wilderness? Do whatever. Like, we're not going to make anybody do whatever, but we encourage you to do whatever. And I was like, I'm not doing anything.

So great, easy. The one time I have shaved for a role of my own volition was when I was in Bombshell. which is a film about Fox News. It's hot. There's a lesbian kiss. Hilariously, it's me and Jack on the cusp of being out publicly playing like Megyn Kelly's assistants. So they sprung like a sleeveless dress on me and I was like, one second.

So great, easy. The one time I have shaved for a role of my own volition was when I was in Bombshell. which is a film about Fox News. It's hot. There's a lesbian kiss. Hilariously, it's me and Jack on the cusp of being out publicly playing like Megyn Kelly's assistants. So they sprung like a sleeveless dress on me and I was like, one second.

And I did have to ask for a razor from the hair and makeup team. And then in my trailer, I was just like, all right, let's just deal with this. This person would not have hair. For sure. There's no way. That's a suspension of disbelief issue. But nobody's ever made me do it.

And I did have to ask for a razor from the hair and makeup team. And then in my trailer, I was just like, all right, let's just deal with this. This person would not have hair. For sure. There's no way. That's a suspension of disbelief issue. But nobody's ever made me do it.

Yeah, I did have some foam. Oh, thank God. But I did have to, I had to run around being like, does anyone have any supplies? They were like, for what? Like, oh, yeah, no, here they are for sure. See you in 10 minutes.

Yeah, I did have some foam. Oh, thank God. But I did have to, I had to run around being like, does anyone have any supplies? They were like, for what? Like, oh, yeah, no, here they are for sure. See you in 10 minutes.

um season three is out as of now for the first two episodes have been released yes they have how has it started to change do you think since season one and two and now three exponentially gayer this time around i would say which is crazy because it was already so gay oh yeah but like it's it's it's an increase of at least 50 to 100 percent i mean what is the ratio of the team it's like 100 increase i think whoa something like that two to four i gotta do the math they're talking about yeah yeah

um season three is out as of now for the first two episodes have been released yes they have how has it started to change do you think since season one and two and now three exponentially gayer this time around i would say which is crazy because it was already so gay oh yeah but like it's it's it's an increase of at least 50 to 100 percent i mean what is the ratio of the team it's like 100 increase i think whoa something like that two to four i gotta do the math they're talking about yeah yeah

Yeah, I mean, it's like it's this balance of like I am really grateful for it and it's not lost on me how significant it is. And I feel like super active in it and in charge of what I do. And that's very cool. And then also it feels very normal because like it it's so baseline important to me all the time. And like it is woven into the show. So foundationally. So it's like, wow, this is awesome.

Yeah, I mean, it's like it's this balance of like I am really grateful for it and it's not lost on me how significant it is. And I feel like super active in it and in charge of what I do. And that's very cool. And then also it feels very normal because like it it's so baseline important to me all the time. And like it is woven into the show. So foundationally. So it's like, wow, this is awesome.

And also, yeah, this is Tuesday. You know, it's nice.

And also, yeah, this is Tuesday. You know, it's nice.

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah, and like in fiction, the ratio is off almost all the time. Yes. Like I understand that like living a queer life is like the queer people in proximity to me like fill up more of my life than the straight people in proximity to me do. But just like... Especially in something with an ensemble cast, it's just like, well, statistically, there's going to be a few gay people around. Right.

Yeah, and like in fiction, the ratio is off almost all the time. Yes. Like I understand that like living a queer life is like the queer people in proximity to me like fill up more of my life than the straight people in proximity to me do. But just like... Especially in something with an ensemble cast, it's just like, well, statistically, there's going to be a few gay people around. Right.

Right. And a lot of stats get trotted out about siblings and what is the likelihood in a group of siblings. Easy to think about.

Right. And a lot of stats get trotted out about siblings and what is the likelihood in a group of siblings. Easy to think about.

Please.

Please.

Oh, I'm pro 100 percent of the time. Yes, that's awesome.

Oh, I'm pro 100 percent of the time. Yes, that's awesome.

Well, I mean, I think about this a lot in media and that in media, I think we don't see it a lot because of homophobia and because of like the lack of like three dimensional actual exploration of various kinds of queer relationships.

Well, I mean, I think about this a lot in media and that in media, I think we don't see it a lot because of homophobia and because of like the lack of like three dimensional actual exploration of various kinds of queer relationships.

But then in real life, I'm like, I see it. I see it in real life, I feel. But I also don't want to speak to what that experience is out of school. But yeah, I feel like I see it. And I also feel like there's a pretty strong history of butch-for-butch relationships in the queer community. For sure.

But then in real life, I'm like, I see it. I see it in real life, I feel. But I also don't want to speak to what that experience is out of school. But yeah, I feel like I see it. And I also feel like there's a pretty strong history of butch-for-butch relationships in the queer community. For sure.

Yes.

Yes.

There's some beautiful writing about Butch on Butch relationships that S. Baird Bergman wrote. I can't remember in which book now, but I read it last year. And it's gorgeous. And it's hot.

There's some beautiful writing about Butch on Butch relationships that S. Baird Bergman wrote. I can't remember in which book now, but I read it last year. And it's gorgeous. And it's hot.

Well, and I would go a step further, too, and say that particularly in the early 2000s, a lot of those images were not of femmes. They were of straight women.

Well, and I would go a step further, too, and say that particularly in the early 2000s, a lot of those images were not of femmes. They were of straight women.

Oh, sorry. Mackenzie. Butch people are invisibilized in culture generally because of homophobia and because of misogyny and how those things intersect and because of desirability politics, which is stupid and bullshit because it shows a failure of imagination of desire and of the erotic because it's like, baby, there are ways to be sexy that would make your fucking head spin. Tell us about them.

Oh, sorry. Mackenzie. Butch people are invisibilized in culture generally because of homophobia and because of misogyny and how those things intersect and because of desirability politics, which is stupid and bullshit because it shows a failure of imagination of desire and of the erotic because it's like, baby, there are ways to be sexy that would make your fucking head spin. Tell us about them.

Period. What are they? Butch people are so hot. Yes. And our wider culture takes them for granted and so when two butch people are together... mainstream heterosexual culture. It's like, what? I don't... Oh, okay.

Period. What are they? Butch people are so hot. Yes. And our wider culture takes them for granted and so when two butch people are together... mainstream heterosexual culture. It's like, what? I don't... Oh, okay.

I saw a good piece of art once that was just like text on a background that was like, why are so many straight women with men when they could be with a real butch lesbians? Yes. Yes. And it just kind of a total inversion of that language. Oh, I like that a lot.

I saw a good piece of art once that was just like text on a background that was like, why are so many straight women with men when they could be with a real butch lesbians? Yes. Yes. And it just kind of a total inversion of that language. Oh, I like that a lot.

Because that is always the argument that I'm seeing. Why do men want to dress like butch people so much? Yeah. Why do you? I mean, especially at the moment where like a lot of a lot of the hippest menswear is just stuff that dykes have been doing. For years. Yes. Yeah. One hundred percent. Like people just don't get it and lack curiosity about it. Yeah.

Because that is always the argument that I'm seeing. Why do men want to dress like butch people so much? Yeah. Why do you? I mean, especially at the moment where like a lot of a lot of the hippest menswear is just stuff that dykes have been doing. For years. Yes. Yeah. One hundred percent. Like people just don't get it and lack curiosity about it. Yeah.

But that's not like butch and mask people's fault. Like you you keep loving and fucking and having relationships anyway. And like everybody else will fucking figure it out.

But that's not like butch and mask people's fault. Like you you keep loving and fucking and having relationships anyway. And like everybody else will fucking figure it out.

Exactly. Yeah. My God.

Exactly. Yeah. My God.

Which one's left? Is left yes or no?

Which one's left? Is left yes or no?

It's a yes. I actually don't remember.

It's a yes. I actually don't remember.

Like, what do you do? How does it work? How does it work? How do you get it on your phone? Do people have to talk to you? Sounds stressful. I don't know.

Like, what do you do? How does it work? How does it work? How do you get it on your phone? Do people have to talk to you? Sounds stressful. I don't know.

Well, this is not a real problem. Liv! It's not. Liv! It's not. I knew a gay couple who were named the exact same thing. Yeah. And they were together for ages. And, like, they just had different nicknames. And it was fine. Right. You know? Or, like, I knew somebody who, like, dated someone who shared a name with a family member. And, like, and I think it was weird for maybe, like, five minutes.

Well, this is not a real problem. Liv! It's not. Liv! It's not. I knew a gay couple who were named the exact same thing. Yeah. And they were together for ages. And, like, they just had different nicknames. And it was fine. Right. You know? Or, like, I knew somebody who, like, dated someone who shared a name with a family member. And, like, and I think it was weird for maybe, like, five minutes.

And then it was all right. Right. You know? And, like, if you fall in love with a Dugan... You say their name during sex and it's fine. I don't really like that name. It's okay. Dugan's hot.

And then it was all right. Right. You know? And, like, if you fall in love with a Dugan... You say their name during sex and it's fine. I don't really like that name. It's okay. Dugan's hot.

Come on.

Come on.

Yeah. So it's, I guess like, this is like a strange stumbling block for me because it sort of does things in the wrong order. Right. Where it's like, oh, can I be into this person? It's like, well, that's a silly question because are you? Are you? Are you or not? Right. Is more important. And if you are, then great, you know?

Yeah. So it's, I guess like, this is like a strange stumbling block for me because it sort of does things in the wrong order. Right. Where it's like, oh, can I be into this person? It's like, well, that's a silly question because are you? Are you? Are you or not? Right. Is more important. And if you are, then great, you know?

None of that bothers me. Call me by your name, I call you by mine, et cetera, et cetera.

None of that bothers me. Call me by your name, I call you by mine, et cetera, et cetera.

Right.

Right.

Yeah, there's something.

Yeah, there's something.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, like, how many? Maybe I'm just showing my Australian-ness a little bit, but how many people in our age bracket go by their full names anyway? Yeah, that's a great point. Get nicknamed immediately.

I mean, like, how many? Maybe I'm just showing my Australian-ness a little bit, but how many people in our age bracket go by their full names anyway? Yeah, that's a great point. Get nicknamed immediately.

Come on, get a few. Pick your favorite.

Come on, get a few. Pick your favorite.

Deborah's great.

Deborah's great.

I knew people who played this game. This game sounds familiar. With the moaning? Yeah, yeah. With the names in bed thing. I don't know why it rings a bell. Maybe like friends of mine in my early 20s or maybe even earlier. But yeah, people were like having a field day just imagining different names. And a lot of the time it was like a cross-generational thing, like imagining like older names.

I knew people who played this game. This game sounds familiar. With the moaning? Yeah, yeah. With the names in bed thing. I don't know why it rings a bell. Maybe like friends of mine in my early 20s or maybe even earlier. But yeah, people were like having a field day just imagining different names. And a lot of the time it was like a cross-generational thing, like imagining like older names.

I'm out.

I'm out.

Yeah, full legal name is a little. Full legal name is unacceptable. I don't get full legal because I don't get full legal like ever by anyone anymore. Yeah. But like name day to day name. Lovely. Yeah. So lovely. Full name, last name included would be crazy.

Yeah, full legal name is a little. Full legal name is unacceptable. I don't get full legal because I don't get full legal like ever by anyone anymore. Yeah. But like name day to day name. Lovely. Yeah. So lovely. Full name, last name included would be crazy.

And I won't. No, and I would love it. You know what? If we can make the DMV fun, I'm in. Yeah. It's edging. You're waiting. Forever. Forever. I get sent to another counter.

And I won't. No, and I would love it. You know what? If we can make the DMV fun, I'm in. Yeah. It's edging. You're waiting. Forever. Forever. I get sent to another counter.

well for illegal no but like I even conversationally I love referring to my partner I love being able to say their name and be like well this is what they think actually and I know because we're together like it's I get a kick out of doing that this is something you're right I know what you're saying I actually think this is very unique because I only say her name

well for illegal no but like I even conversationally I love referring to my partner I love being able to say their name and be like well this is what they think actually and I know because we're together like it's I get a kick out of doing that this is something you're right I know what you're saying I actually think this is very unique because I only say her name

He did that. Now we're going to need to keep calling it that. You cannot call it that.

He did that. Now we're going to need to keep calling it that. You cannot call it that.

Yeah, very sports. Sorry, like, what's the plan?

Yeah, very sports. Sorry, like, what's the plan?

Yeah. Everybody has a rat moment. You have it? Have you had one? Oh, naturally. One time I lent back trying to be sexy and I hit my head on the headboard. Oh, yeah. No blood though, right? No, no blood. Just like, hmm, I'm embarrassed.

Yeah. Everybody has a rat moment. You have it? Have you had one? Oh, naturally. One time I lent back trying to be sexy and I hit my head on the headboard. Oh, yeah. No blood though, right? No, no blood. Just like, hmm, I'm embarrassed.

It's like, ah, yeah.

It's like, ah, yeah.

That's what it is. Everyone has to be very gentle.

That's what it is. Everyone has to be very gentle.

Oh, superseded, of course.

Oh, superseded, of course.

Yeah, that's real. Yeah. That's how you know it's for real.

Yeah, that's real. Yeah. That's how you know it's for real.

You're going to need to have fun, stupid sex because like in order to have the 50 shades of graying it, you have to like, you have to know enough about likes and dislikes and how it's going to go. And you have to have tried stuff and talked about stuff. And it's like if you're not having silly sex, then there's a degree to the vulnerability you could be showing that you're missing out on perhaps.

You're going to need to have fun, stupid sex because like in order to have the 50 shades of graying it, you have to like, you have to know enough about likes and dislikes and how it's going to go. And you have to have tried stuff and talked about stuff. And it's like if you're not having silly sex, then there's a degree to the vulnerability you could be showing that you're missing out on perhaps.

Like if there's still fear around embarrassing yourself or having a rap moment. It's just very human. It's allowed.

Like if there's still fear around embarrassing yourself or having a rap moment. It's just very human. It's allowed.

Yes. Rather than like.

Yes. Rather than like.

Well, and they won't, by the way. They won't. Like you just will or not. Yeah.

Well, and they won't, by the way. They won't. Like you just will or not. Yeah.

Right. It's like for what reason? You can't make fake rules. I'm not going to feel this way about this type of person. Like, oh, that's not up to you at all. Exactly. Something will happen one day or not.

Right. It's like for what reason? You can't make fake rules. I'm not going to feel this way about this type of person. Like, oh, that's not up to you at all. Exactly. Something will happen one day or not.

Josh.

Josh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They Bird Box them.

They Bird Box them.

Yes. Was that? Wait, hold on. Is that Sandy B? It's Sandy B and Sarah Paulson's sister and not her wife. Not her lover, which is very lover. Yeah, but she has two kids.

Yes. Was that? Wait, hold on. Is that Sandy B? It's Sandy B and Sarah Paulson's sister and not her wife. Not her lover, which is very lover. Yeah, but she has two kids.

Oh, my God. So they go back and forth.

Oh, my God. So they go back and forth.

It's a small sacrifice.

It's a small sacrifice.

I'm so happy to be here.

Oh my God. Wow. Throws and chills around.

Yeah.

We should. I would love to go back. I would love to watch Ray's mom get flooded with some more.

Well, easily. My mom could have had any one of those butches that night. It was pretty incredible.

Thank you. That is generous.

Thank you. That's very kind. To a point. I remember at a certain point being like, okay, now I'm going to need to stop. Otherwise, I am going to injure myself and maybe somebody else.

Oh, my God.

Wow.

What a beautiful image.

Wow. Oh, my God. Can you believe that? I do believe that. I do as well.

I know Ray.

Because we're allowed to now. We're allowed to.

Yes, we literally were not allowed to talk about the show at all. Which is nuts.

Yeah, the thing is, I can't. Say anything about it at all.

Totally. And then I like I said something and I was like, oh, you guys won't have to bleep this. And then they absolutely did.

Jasmine I don't know if this qualifies as a prank Jasmine constantly does that thing where she taps somebody on the shoulder and then like walks the other way incredible and nobody's there but I no exaggeration she's been doing this since the first season of the show so it's been

You know what I mean?

Oh, yeah. Good cowork a bit. It also does feel very, like, drama class, too. Like, I remember when... When I was in high school, I think, in, like, a theater thing, like, my friends and I had this joke where we would, like, pretend to be, like, a salmon, like, in between people's knees. Oh, yes. Classic. In between the leg. The salmon's left. Yeah, bring that back.

Bring that back in the workplace.

In a professional environment, for sure. No issues! Like, cut! Cut!

Yeah. No, it's nuts. It's nuts. And it's cool because we've been doing it for a long time now. And like over the years that we've been doing it, we have like more. FaceTime and cross contact with the cast that is the other half of the television show. Right. Like at the beginning, like we would be like, well, we work together, but like we don't work together. Right. Oh, right.

But enough time has passed to like that there's like occasional crossover and we see each other at press stuff all the time. And like we have known each other for ages. Right. That's kind of cool to get to know each other better as time goes on.

Yeah, it's sick.

It's scary.

Spooky do for sure.

I so appreciate it. I have to. I sleep for live.

I have many friends who are in that position of like, well, I'll just white knuckle through this.

I'm glad you think so. I certainly think so. It's, The sex scene in season one tested some people I know in real life. Yeah. Yeah, they were like, okay, so we just fast forward that and now we're back on track. Sensational. Sensational. Sensational. And we're back. And we're back. Okay, back to the violence. Good. Much more preferable.

Thank you so much.

The deep V that I've returned to a couple of times is like, is that is all like thanks to having had top surgery and having a tattoo right here. Yeah. You know, it was like, all right, well that is just intuitive then. Yes.

You gotta show it off.

100%. Not funny. Not funny.

You know what I want to do? Spend more money in this area. That's what I would like.

Bring it on.

Urgently. Yeah.

So there's, my leg hair is, there's a bunch of it, but only on the front of my calves. Stop. Is the back bald? Is the back bald? The back is not completely bald, but it is more sparse. It's more sparse. And then above the knee, absolutely nothing. Wait, same. I don't grow any hair from here on up. And make no mistake, I would love to. For sure. Like, would love to.

I haven't, like, I've been growing it for, like, most of my adult life at this point. Yes. Surely the majority of it. But not that you would know it by looking most of the time. It's there, but, you know, you'd have to dye it, really. Yeah. To really see it.

Oh, yeah. Right?

Okay.

Yeah, I think so.

And there it is. Yes.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, the hair does whatever it does. It just, like, grows. But my armpit hair is, like, it's...

it's like a couple of tufts yes like it's it's quite soft it's not um not super coarse or thick again would love it can't stress enough you know i'll start taking rogaine for it whatever needs to happen wait but my armpit hair is very just like like very sort of like i'm here like soft very like condition ladylike arm hair to be honest pretty ladylike pit hair but whatever i'm grateful

That is not me.

Sorry, can you imagine with one of those like facial raises, just like eyebrow slit on your underarm? I do.

I would love that. Okay. Like notch full shave underarm, buzz cut the underarm.

One slit. Leopard print the underarm. Yes.

Come on.

Oh, no, but I will say that no production has ever been like, listen, actually people have really let me do whatever I want. And on Yellowjackets, actually, at the beginning of season one, they were like, so you guys are stranded in the wilderness? Do whatever. Like, we're not going to make anybody do whatever, but we encourage you to do whatever. And I was like, I'm not doing anything.

So great, easy. The one time I have shaved for a role of my own volition was when I was in Bombshell. which is a film about Fox News. It's hot. There's a lesbian kiss. Hilariously, it's me and Jack on the cusp of being out publicly playing like Megyn Kelly's assistants. So they sprung like a sleeveless dress on me and I was like, one second.

And I did have to ask for a razor from the hair and makeup team. And then in my trailer, I was just like, all right, let's just deal with this. This person would not have hair. For sure. There's no way. That's a suspension of disbelief issue. But nobody's ever made me do it.

Yeah, I did have some foam. Oh, thank God. But I did have to, I had to run around being like, does anyone have any supplies? They were like, for what? Like, oh, yeah, no, here they are for sure. See you in 10 minutes.

um season three is out as of now for the first two episodes have been released yes they have how has it started to change do you think since season one and two and now three exponentially gayer this time around i would say which is crazy because it was already so gay oh yeah but like it's it's it's an increase of at least 50 to 100 percent i mean what is the ratio of the team it's like 100 increase i think whoa something like that two to four i gotta do the math they're talking about yeah yeah

Yeah, I mean, it's like it's this balance of like I am really grateful for it and it's not lost on me how significant it is. And I feel like super active in it and in charge of what I do. And that's very cool. And then also it feels very normal because like it it's so baseline important to me all the time. And like it is woven into the show. So foundationally. So it's like, wow, this is awesome.

And also, yeah, this is Tuesday. You know, it's nice.

Yes.

Yeah, and like in fiction, the ratio is off almost all the time. Yes. Like I understand that like living a queer life is like the queer people in proximity to me like fill up more of my life than the straight people in proximity to me do. But just like... Especially in something with an ensemble cast, it's just like, well, statistically, there's going to be a few gay people around. Right.

Right. And a lot of stats get trotted out about siblings and what is the likelihood in a group of siblings. Easy to think about.

Please.

Oh, I'm pro 100 percent of the time. Yes, that's awesome.

Well, I mean, I think about this a lot in media and that in media, I think we don't see it a lot because of homophobia and because of like the lack of like three dimensional actual exploration of various kinds of queer relationships.

But then in real life, I'm like, I see it. I see it in real life, I feel. But I also don't want to speak to what that experience is out of school. But yeah, I feel like I see it. And I also feel like there's a pretty strong history of butch-for-butch relationships in the queer community. For sure.

Yes.

There's some beautiful writing about Butch on Butch relationships that S. Baird Bergman wrote. I can't remember in which book now, but I read it last year. And it's gorgeous. And it's hot.

Well, and I would go a step further, too, and say that particularly in the early 2000s, a lot of those images were not of femmes. They were of straight women.

Oh, sorry. Mackenzie. Butch people are invisibilized in culture generally because of homophobia and because of misogyny and how those things intersect and because of desirability politics, which is stupid and bullshit because it shows a failure of imagination of desire and of the erotic because it's like, baby, there are ways to be sexy that would make your fucking head spin. Tell us about them.

Period. What are they? Butch people are so hot. Yes. And our wider culture takes them for granted and so when two butch people are together... mainstream heterosexual culture. It's like, what? I don't... Oh, okay.

I saw a good piece of art once that was just like text on a background that was like, why are so many straight women with men when they could be with a real butch lesbians? Yes. Yes. And it just kind of a total inversion of that language. Oh, I like that a lot.

Because that is always the argument that I'm seeing. Why do men want to dress like butch people so much? Yeah. Why do you? I mean, especially at the moment where like a lot of a lot of the hippest menswear is just stuff that dykes have been doing. For years. Yes. Yeah. One hundred percent. Like people just don't get it and lack curiosity about it. Yeah.

But that's not like butch and mask people's fault. Like you you keep loving and fucking and having relationships anyway. And like everybody else will fucking figure it out.

Exactly. Yeah. My God.

Which one's left? Is left yes or no?

It's a yes. I actually don't remember.

Like, what do you do? How does it work? How does it work? How do you get it on your phone? Do people have to talk to you? Sounds stressful. I don't know.

Well, this is not a real problem. Liv! It's not. Liv! It's not. I knew a gay couple who were named the exact same thing. Yeah. And they were together for ages. And, like, they just had different nicknames. And it was fine. Right. You know? Or, like, I knew somebody who, like, dated someone who shared a name with a family member. And, like, and I think it was weird for maybe, like, five minutes.

And then it was all right. Right. You know? And, like, if you fall in love with a Dugan... You say their name during sex and it's fine. I don't really like that name. It's okay. Dugan's hot.

Come on.

Yeah. So it's, I guess like, this is like a strange stumbling block for me because it sort of does things in the wrong order. Right. Where it's like, oh, can I be into this person? It's like, well, that's a silly question because are you? Are you? Are you or not? Right. Is more important. And if you are, then great, you know?

None of that bothers me. Call me by your name, I call you by mine, et cetera, et cetera.

Right.

Yeah, there's something.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, like, how many? Maybe I'm just showing my Australian-ness a little bit, but how many people in our age bracket go by their full names anyway? Yeah, that's a great point. Get nicknamed immediately.

Come on, get a few. Pick your favorite.

Deborah's great.

I knew people who played this game. This game sounds familiar. With the moaning? Yeah, yeah. With the names in bed thing. I don't know why it rings a bell. Maybe like friends of mine in my early 20s or maybe even earlier. But yeah, people were like having a field day just imagining different names. And a lot of the time it was like a cross-generational thing, like imagining like older names.

I'm out.

Yeah, full legal name is a little. Full legal name is unacceptable. I don't get full legal because I don't get full legal like ever by anyone anymore. Yeah. But like name day to day name. Lovely. Yeah. So lovely. Full name, last name included would be crazy.

And I won't. No, and I would love it. You know what? If we can make the DMV fun, I'm in. Yeah. It's edging. You're waiting. Forever. Forever. I get sent to another counter.

well for illegal no but like I even conversationally I love referring to my partner I love being able to say their name and be like well this is what they think actually and I know because we're together like it's I get a kick out of doing that this is something you're right I know what you're saying I actually think this is very unique because I only say her name

He did that. Now we're going to need to keep calling it that. You cannot call it that.

Yeah, very sports. Sorry, like, what's the plan?

Yeah. Everybody has a rat moment. You have it? Have you had one? Oh, naturally. One time I lent back trying to be sexy and I hit my head on the headboard. Oh, yeah. No blood though, right? No, no blood. Just like, hmm, I'm embarrassed.

It's like, ah, yeah.

That's what it is. Everyone has to be very gentle.

Oh, superseded, of course.

Yeah, that's real. Yeah. That's how you know it's for real.

You're going to need to have fun, stupid sex because like in order to have the 50 shades of graying it, you have to like, you have to know enough about likes and dislikes and how it's going to go. And you have to have tried stuff and talked about stuff. And it's like if you're not having silly sex, then there's a degree to the vulnerability you could be showing that you're missing out on perhaps.

Like if there's still fear around embarrassing yourself or having a rap moment. It's just very human. It's allowed.

Yes. Rather than like.

Well, and they won't, by the way. They won't. Like you just will or not. Yeah.

Right. It's like for what reason? You can't make fake rules. I'm not going to feel this way about this type of person. Like, oh, that's not up to you at all. Exactly. Something will happen one day or not.

Josh.

Yeah.

They Bird Box them.

Yes. Was that? Wait, hold on. Is that Sandy B? It's Sandy B and Sarah Paulson's sister and not her wife. Not her lover, which is very lover. Yeah, but she has two kids.

Oh, my God. So they go back and forth.

It's a small sacrifice.