Liz Plank

And the headline, I need to get this right.

Oh, yeah.

The headline was, can women lead?

didn't they just do that story again like a month ago like oh yeah are women ruining the workplace yeah yeah it just it and and then they had four people debate that idea and and you know have like one normal person be like yeah i think women can be bosses um i think that's that's possible and then like three other people be like

evolutionarily um women are supposed to just be you know like it just it was ridiculous and and it was printed and i so my first article i wrote and i was like the new york times and then margaret sullivan who was the public editor at the new york times at the time wrote like i was writing for a blog called mike.com at the time called policy mike that no one knew about

And she responded to my article.

And then they ended up taking it down and having sort of a and this was so there was a moment of reckoning, obviously, beyond the scope of this one article that the New York Times did, where there started to be a Huffington Post women's section.

And, you know, people started being like, maybe we should hire women in newsrooms.

And like, maybe we should have a manager, like a managing editor, who's a woman at one of these newspapers.

So so this was a really exciting time.

for women.

Long live the hairpin and the toast.

Yes.

Do you remember that?

RIP.

RIP.

And RIP Jezebel.

I mean, I can't.

I can't even believe that's a sentence.

But so it was a very exciting time.