Lloyd Blankfein

And so just people you just don't know.

And that's why, I mean, my advice, when you pick board members.

But this is a very, I'm turning something that's generic into a very narrow things.

I think a good place to go is find people who've already gone through a crisis.

Because to me, people who look like and sound like they'll get through it.

I'm not sure how much of a correlation there is to the reality of it.

But when somebody's gone through a crisis, I think that's your best bet.

Totally.

I definitely want to spend some time on the financial crisis, because obviously it was such a defining kind of period.

But maybe to go backwards in time, obviously, you had a very modest upbringing.

I was curious, like, what role did living near New York City or Manhattan maybe more specifically play in sort of like creating ambition?

Or for me, you know, I didn't grow up in the projects, but I grew up very modestly as well.

And where'd you grow up?

In South San Diego, in Cholla Vista, like 10 minutes from Mexico.

Mom was a public school teacher.

Dad worked in retail in Mexico, very far from Cambridge.

And Harvard really changed my life, right?

So your dad had to get through the border to get to Mexico every day to give him a tough time at the border?

He had a motorcycle, so it was a little bit easier.

They put shoes on the other foot.