Chapter 1: What are the dual roles of risk-taking and risk management in investing?
Anybody who's investing, you know, you're doing two things. You're trying to make money for yourselves and your clients. And so you're trying to get out there and take risk. And you're also trying to be a risk manager. And you have to do both. I think it was your quote there. It's like, if you're so good at predicting the future, tell me what's going to happen next.
Once the present turns into the past, everybody's a genius. Most of what we do with respect to risk is not so much predicting. It's a lot of contingency planning. We are on the precipice of some of the largest IPOs ever. What are risks that you think are underappreciated? Before this technological age, not just AI, but in general, could you have had a mistake that could cost billions of dollars?
Not really. But now you can leave a piece of software, could go out and do 70,000 transactions. The leverage in these things is themselves a big problem. Not because it's smarter than us and it's going to turn us into pets, but because we don't have the ability to test whether it's right or not.
What does it take to lead through a crisis? Most organizations are built for normal conditions, but the real test comes when uncertainty is highest, when information is incomplete, and when decisions have to be made quickly without knowing how things will play out. In those moments, success isn't about predicting the future.
It's about preparation, judgment, and the ability to act while others hesitate. Few people have operated at that level as often as Lloyd Blankfein, leading Goldman Sachs through some of the most volatile periods in modern financial history. A16Z general partner David Haber speaks with Lloyd Blankfein about risk, leadership, and building institutions that can endure through uncertainty.
Your tweet, by the way, about the White House Correspondents Center was amazing. I think for the good of the timeline, we need you back on Twitter more often. I know. You know what? It's a funny thing is, You would think that you see something and you're activated to tweet about it. For me, I said, oh, gee, I haven't tweeted for a long time. Let me find something to tweet about.
And also, being in the risk management business, I always know that everybody keeps doing that and eventually you get canceled because you do something, you step over some invisible line that nobody knew about. And so I realized that from a risk-reward point of view, It's all ego and no real value other than that. But that was saying, when you're retired, you'll grasp at straws. Why not?
I mean, it was like 10 million views later or something. It was amazing. Well, I went to, I remember when I was doing, what's his name from Twitter? You know, I said, when I retired, I am freed from the restraints that I had because, you know, I did this at Goldman. Yeah.
And I realized that I was playing a dangerous game because I was being snarky with the president and I had all those back and forths. with Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.
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Chapter 2: How can organizations effectively lead through a crisis?
It was just that it was like being in a movie and I was like enjoying watching it. Totally. And you had all these guys who were in tuxedos. Suddenly they had pistols in their hand and there were guys in full tactically and they all ran in. And they all were on the stage with their guns facing outward, of course, because that's where the threat would have come from.
Then I, you know, suddenly, you know, a guy tugs at my leg and he said, you really should get down. And I said, you're really right. I said, this is like when I get into an airplane, this is another time that I'm glad I'm short. But I was watching it and I saw what everybody was doing and I didn't see a lot of panic. I didn't see any panic really.
And the people under there, which was a sensible thing to do. But again, to break the moment, I looked down and I said, by the way, are you going to finish your salad? And it's amazing. It was, you know, it was kind of funny at the time. Ice in the veins. I don't know. Were you always even-keeled as a kid? Yes.
Somebody said, Goldman, you're very good in a crisis, and that's why you go out of your way to create them, just so you can give you an opportunity to be good in a crisis. And I would say that my normal resting state is to not be resting. So I tend to be a little bit wound all the time, but I don't get especially wound in this crisis. In fact, things slow down for me.
I'm used to seeing things like that. They're in slow motion, and I become very... sensitive to what the people around me are thinking and trying to get them on board. Most of the time, like at Goldman and in most of life, In a crisis time, the really important thing is just to get people to do their jobs and just don't be frozen and don't submit to the chaos.
Do you think that was like innate or was there something from your childhood that sort of helped kind of breed that temperament? I don't know. I wouldn't have predicted that about myself, but I've now gone through. We had the crisis of the century roughly every four or five years. And it's always that way. But it doesn't mean I like crises and I wouldn't go out of my way to volunteer to be in one.
It's just that when it happens, I generally have confidence. I'm not trying to tempt the fates. If I'm going to get discombobulated, everyone is going to get discombobulated before me. And so I've done that. And by the way, that taught me a lot about the people that you need to rely on because you can't really tell. I mean, not to claim a phrase, but you can't tell a book by its cover.
And I went through, and maybe this is out of sequence, but I went through the financial crisis and we had people, I'm thinking one in particular, who was... Great athlete, terrific guy, real man's man. Did rodeos on the weekend. He was terrible. And here I am. The co-president of the firm. Here I am trying to teach people how to, me, trying to say you have to breathe.
And then there were people who didn't look like they could walk up a whole flight of stairs. And they were really good. And so just people you just don't know. And that's why, I mean, my advice, when you pick board members.
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Chapter 3: What lessons can be learned from Lloyd Blankfein's leadership during the financial crisis?
I said, I want everybody... to be called for a false start because they hear the gun so much quicker than anybody else they get off the mark. And so that's the exercise you can do. Now, some people are more intuitive. Some people see things. But what I really do is, what I really think for most people is that they've thought about that, I think X and Y and Z could happen.
If this happens, this is what I'm going to do. You know, we have a lot of kind of tech entrepreneurs and just tech people in general kind of in our audience. I'm curious... You know, how did you think about technology during your time at Golden? And, you know, what role did it play kind of in evolving the firm? I'm sure it changed the markets business even, you know. Oh, my God.
We were always – the technology was always changing everything. And, you know, in the – by the way, in a lot of what we – not everything, but a lot of things in finance, it's win or take all. Totally. You know, if you put your – I mean, I'm sure the world has moved on, but even, you know, even a few years ago –
If you, you know, if you had a, you know, if you had a risk, you know, an execution system that communicated digitally back to the floor of the exchange, you wanted your computers a half a block closer to the exchange than everybody else's because the milliseconds mattered. Yeah. not only mattered, it was winner-take-all. You got everything.
You got the offer, you hit the bid, and other people were left looking at, you know, looking at your dust for that. So you were always, always competing for the best technology in a winner-take-all situation. By the way, a lot of life, whether people realize it or not, is winner-take-all. I could see...
You know, I know, you know, the opportunity set and the challenges and the anxiety people have about the current thing. And I think, obviously, I still, you know, invest and I still transact on the market. I think about that too. But I would say that no one is a better adopter or pays more except for obviously the hyperscalers themselves who want to be the providers of the technology.
But in terms of use of the technologies, you know, the financial area is, you know, wants to be on top of it. And so interesting, by the way, there's a lot of, you end up in a lot of cul-de-sacs. You'll end up going down bad paths because you just don't know. And you have to do this. And I know that everybody's talking about looking for cost savings, but we always had to do things twice.
We had to use the system we were confident in and then simultaneously run the new system we had high hopes for. We didn't have a high level of confidence. In our business, and as a regulated company that we were, we weren't allowed to have mistakes. By the way, that's another schism between the Valley and finance.
So you could be, you know, I looked at, you know, Robinhood, great company, but early on, you know, they declared a kind of, they declared that they had government-insured accounts that weren't government-insured. They had some slip-ups and a lot of apologies get made. You could do that. We weren't allowed to do that.
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