Lois Logan

And then that insecurity, it can be nurtured or it can be taken advantage of.

And so when it's taken advantage of, they're told to feel insecure and feel like this is a threat when it might not necessarily be a threat.

And obviously, again, you know, there's lots of examples of that.

It's quite a heavy podcast.

I have to have a nap after this.

Well, I think what I've spoken to a lot of people about motivation, I think shifts at university.

Because when I was at school, I was so motivated to be...

you know, one of the best in class and to get the best grades and I felt like I had teachers that really cared about me and I wanted to do well for my teachers and so I felt like if I got this grade and they were happy with me then that made, I was kind of felt valid.

But then you go to university and you do have lecturers that, all your lecturers care but there's 250 people in a lecture hall or more

And really, they don't know your name.

They don't know whose paper they're even marking now because it's all anonymous.

All of that validation that you used to get from your teachers is shifted onto you.

And then it kind of is like, well, is this really making me feel good?

Or is it just the fact that I like geography at school because my teachers were great and I was good at geography?

Yeah, so that's another thing with university.

I probably, you know, if I hadn't have done a degree that... I do enjoy geography, but I don't feel like I... I don't see myself necessarily having a future as a geographer or a... A lot of people don't.

No, and it's very transferable.

But yeah, I don't see myself going into the city necessarily.

No, but I mean, I'm not obviously ruling it out, but yeah, just in case you want to employ me, I will come into the city once or twice a year.

That's the thing, I think.