Lois Logan

People tell you, enjoy your 20s, enjoy this.

But then by the time you're 25, you should have two kids.

You should be married and you should have a million pound house.

No, but that's my point.

It's like you're constantly being told two different things.

So you have to find your own journey, isn't it?

Yeah, and it's that feeling of constantly being like, oh my God, I'm not where I should be.

I don't know where I'm supposed to be.

The thief of joy.

Yeah, completely, yeah.

Yeah, and also I think there's such a big emphasis, especially now, I don't know what it was like when you guys were growing up in the 80s.

Black and white TVs.

When you were 20 in the 90s.

But, you know, there's that kind of feeling that you have to have a certain, like you have to be making a certain amount of money and have a certain lifestyle to be deemed as successful.

But actually, you know, it's not always about that.

It's about, you know, what are you doing?

We did for a little bit.

For about six months, we valued scientists.

Yeah, we did, we did.

But I also think that what happens is