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Lori Stern

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253 total appearances

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Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Walt was in foster care for a time when he was just five years old, after his mother had been hit by a car.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

She's been in a wheelchair ever since.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

It is.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

The teachers and psychologists I talked to said most kids with the EBD label have similar levels of trauma.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

In fact, they said if they could come up with a label for kids who end up in EBD classrooms, they'd call it PTSD.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

But PTSD is not a label that exists in special ed.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

And by the time Walt was six, he was placed in a school for kids with behavioral problems.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Well, it was this completely separate school for kids who administrators believed could not physically be with the general ed population.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

The students were mostly kids of color.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

In fact, federal data show black kids are twice as likely as white kids to be labeled EBD.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

And kids in EBD are disproportionately low income.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Walt is both, black and from a low income family.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

The school had pretty intense security.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

padded time-out rooms, and a focus on behavior more than on academics.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Walt said that at school, he got in a lot of trouble.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Or as he put it, he was rowdy with the staff.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

No, it doesn't.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

But I did hear from a lot of experts that many kids with the EBD label really believe they are bad.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

They've brought it on themselves.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Even though, Aisha, they usually get the label when they're really young.