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Lori Stern

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253 total appearances

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Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

It just wasn't that much time for academic learning when teachers had to focus on behavior.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Where the pattern continued, he told me about it on a hot day with all the fans in the room on.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Walt was exaggerating a bit.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

I checked, and he'd actually been suspended dozens of times, not hundreds.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Well, he's a teenager.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

And remember, he'd been in classrooms where that behavior was happening all the time.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

But by the time I met him, Walt told me he had a really strong desire to change.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

And that's because the summer between sophomore and junior year, so the summer before I met him, Walt was arrested for stealing a car, a robbery he said he didn't commit.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

And for Walt, that was a low point that eventually became a turning point.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

He spent two weeks in juvie, and it was basically a preview of what he thought his future might be.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Some of them were, and it's not that much of a surprise.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

There isn't recent data about outcomes for kids with EBD, but about 15 years ago, a study found that youth with EBD are more than twice as likely to get arrested soon after high school than kids with other disabilities.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Walt told me he hated it in juvie.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

But a few months after he got out, he went on this trip with a nonprofit that works with Black youth who'd been through the correction system.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

They toured a few historically Black colleges.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

And Walt said,

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

The trip shifted something for him.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Back when I met Walt at the end of junior year, both he and his teacher, Mr. K, remembered how different Walt was when he came back.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

And Walt had an answer to those questions.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

That's right.