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Lori Stern

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253 total appearances

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Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Like, how would you measure personal relationships or inappropriate feelings?

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

The bottom line is Walt spent all of elementary school in this segregated school with no interaction at all with students in regular classrooms.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Well, by seventh grade, the school team that worked with Walt decided he was ready for a less restrictive environment, a regular middle school.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

No more locked rooms and holds.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

The plan was, at his new middle school, he would be eased into regular classrooms.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

But still, he'd start out in a classroom with other kids in EBD, and that's where his home base would be.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Not great.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

His behavior was still a problem.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

He got into a lot of fights, and he wasn't really able to handle regular classes.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

But it could also be that the school didn't have the support he needed as he tried to adjust to a regular classroom.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

That's what it meant.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Right.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

You have put your finger on something I keep hearing from the education research world.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

Putting kids with EBD in separate classes creates a vicious cycle that actually makes it harder for them to improve their behavior.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

One of the experts I talked to was Chad Rose, an education professor at the University of South Carolina.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

He's also the head of an international group of academics and educators who work on behavior and emotional health in schools.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

And that's what happened to Walt.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

He was surrounded all the time by other students labeled EBD.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

So he didn't see how most Gen Ed students behaved and he wasn't expected to act like them.

Up First from NPR
The hidden cost of separating 'emotionally disturbed' students

or make the same academic progress.