Lubaina Himid

Like lots of the white servants, if you wanted your footman to come, you shout John.

Because the footman knew, all of them, the white ones and a few black ones, that if the master of the house shouted John, it was a footman.

Well, yes.

Yes, I'm saying that they had real names and I wanted to show that having been kind of wrenched from who they really were...

that they still held on to who they really were, despite the fact they'd been given a new name.

So it's like, you know, lots of people's mothers are called Bobby's mum.

They're not called their actual name, Susan, because they're just known as Bobby's mum.

But those Bobby's mums know that they are really Susan and they are interested in ballet or...

space travel, but they're just known as whose mum they are.

Well, I know that as those captured Africans were captured, they were busy doing something.

They weren't just sitting about waiting to be...

Taken from their homes.

They were doing something.

They were growing stuff.

They were hunting stuff.

They were making things.

They were making houses.

So they had skills.

They were doing something.

So I wanted to sort of also imply that if a different set of people came to...