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Chapter 1: What influences shaped Lubaina Himid's artistic journey?
Welcome to This Cultural Life, the series in which leading artistic figures reveal the influences and experiences that most inspired their own creativity. I'm John Wilson, and my guest in this episode is the artist Lubaina Himid. She made her name in the mid-1980s as a pioneering member of the British black arts movement, organising exhibitions to champion the work of fellow women artists.
Having trained as a theatre designer, her paintings and installation pieces often have a strong narrative aspect, telling stories of race, history and identity. In 2017, at the age of 63, she became the oldest artist to win the Turner Prize, as well as the first black woman to do so. The following year, she was made a CBE for services to art.
And in 2026, Lubaina Hameed will represent Britain at the international arts festival, the Venice Biennale. Lubaina Hameed, welcome to This Cultural Life. Thank you.
Chapter 2: How did winning the Turner Prize impact Lubaina Himid's career?
As we'll explore in this interview, you've been making art since the 1980s. In 2017, though, you won the biggest domestic art prize, the Turner Prize. Looking back at that now, does it feel like a watershed winning the Turner Prize? Was there a sort of before and after Turner aspect to it?
I think there was. Winning the Turner Prize meant that people on the streets of Preston would say, are you that person who's up for that prize? And I'd say, yeah. And they'd say, I hope you win it. So I knew something was different then.
You've always worked in a variety of media, whether that's paint or sculpture or textiles, even sound or found domestic objects.
Chapter 3: What role did Lubaina Himid's mother play in her artistic development?
But... Is it fair to say the paintbrush is the main tool that you reach for every morning? Is it the main means of expression?
Yeah, I'd say so. I would really describe myself as a painter. I wasn't trained as a painter. I was trained as a theatre designer. But I've sort of, over the decades, got a bit more confident about describing myself as a painter.
And when the work is done, when it's shown, what do you hope, generally, that people take away from your work?
The feeling that they have agency, they can make a difference, they can do something that they had never done before, and in a way that they only need to do a sort of small thing.
Chapter 4: How did Lubaina Himid's education influence her artistic expression?
Together we're all doing these small things, and then they add up to something.
Do they play a big part in the art?
Yeah, I mean, I think because I trained as a theatre designer, I'm absolutely convinced that visitors to the shows or to the projects that I'm working on are kind of bringing themselves and all their lives and their loves and their everything to that space and animating it like an audience would to sort of a performance.
Well, on this Cultural Life, Lubaina Himid, my guests choose the influences and experiences that have most inspired their own creativity. And your first choice for this programme is your mother, who is a textile designer. Before we hear about her work, a bit of family background. You were actually born in what's now Tanzania, but which was known as Zanzibar in 1954.
Where and how did your parents first meet?
Oh, they met in London. My father, who's originally from the Camorran Islands but lived in Zanzibar, was in London at London University.
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Chapter 5: What was the significance of the Black Arts Movement for Lubaina Himid?
My mother was at the Royal College of Art doing textile design there. And they met because my mother loved to party. And they knew lots of East African political people, musicians, journalists, those sorts of people. And they met at parties and went to parties.
And they went back to Zanzibar then together?
Well, my father went back to Zanzibar first, and then he, in that old-fashioned way that they used to speak in the 20th century, he sent for her. And she sailed around the Horn of Africa, that way round, because the Suez Canal was shut, and married him in Zanzibar.
And what was he doing there?
He was a teacher by then. It was sort of like an education training college thing.
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Chapter 6: How does Lubaina Himid's work address themes of race and identity?
And you were born in 1954. Yeah. But he died only a few months after you were born, I believe.
Yes, he used to get malaria, as you do, every year. And then that year, when I was four or five months old, he just contracted it much worse than he'd ever done before. And he died on the 5th of November. And he was 33. Yeah.
Your mother had gone to Zanzibar from London and suddenly she's alone there. I presume that must have been absolutely devastating for her.
Chapter 7: What can we expect from Lubaina Himid's participation in the Venice Biennale?
I guess it was really bad for my mother, but she wasn't quite alone because her sister was here in London. I think I was about seven before my auntie had my first cousin. So, you know, I thought of them as like my parents and my mum and my auntie. And in the house that we lived in, in Maida Vale, lots of people came and went and people were lodgers there.
And as a child, I understood that she was unhappy, but my childhood wasn't unhappy.
Does she never talk about the emotional impact of losing her father?
Certainly not when I was so young, but I kind of am a bit of a sort of sponge person and I think I felt her sadness somehow.
What was school like for you, first primary school, when you first started going to school? Was the art room important?
I can remember, you know, collecting leaves, drawing them, drawing stuff, putting paintings on the wall, making things with clay.
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Chapter 8: What is Lubaina Himid's perspective on the role of art in societal change?
And this was a state primary school in central London, which had been designed by Dennis Lasden, who was the architect behind, brutalist architect behind the National Theatre. Well, I was going to say, I guess that school must have only have... been open for a few years before you joined. So it was very new, very modern. Did it affect that environment?
Did it affect your creative outlook, do you think?
I think so, because it wasn't a Victorian school, so there were classrooms where you could look out of the window, you know, rather than that Victorian thing where there's still lots of those schools still about, where you're sitting at your desk and you can see the sky, but you can't look out of the window.
But this school was designed so that when you were looking out, you were looking out at either other classrooms or you were looking out onto the playground. I didn't realise I was sitting in a brutalist masterpiece, but... But it was a lovely place.
What sort of student were you?
A bit hopeless, a bit dreamy and vague. I had lots of friends, but I never felt very clever.
But when you moved to secondary school, I read that you became head girl, voted head girl.
Yeah, but that was my charm, not my charm. my brains.
So you weren't an academic student?
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