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Lucas Swisher

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675 total appearances

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

And then the second thing we're really looking for, right?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

Take that round as an example.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

And one of the reasons why we go back to this big idea test is I want to believe that if that company works, that its best days are ahead of it and I can continue to invest.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

One thing that Jeff Horing from Insight always says is the best round is the double down round.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

And so by getting access to that company at a certain stage, if I think it has a shot at being $100 billion company, that round may not actually be the best round, but it gives me the opportunity to double down and make an even larger investment where more of my capital is going to be deployed over long periods of time.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

And again, it's important why this market structure is changing, right?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

I now, because companies are staying private longer, these platform companies are staying private longer, you have the opportunity to make those bets.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

Previously, you might not have, but now we have the opportunity to make those kinds of bets.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

There's actually a stat around this that I love.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

We have this chart internally, which just shows at each market cap band, the percentage of companies that 10x.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

And the counterintuitive thing is as you go up those bands, the percentage increases.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

So from a $10 to $100 billion valuation, I have a better shot at picking a 10x, not like a better return, a 10x than I did in the prior band.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

Yeah.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

No, I think the founder is incredibly important, right?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

You go back to the example of Databricks.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

Most founders in that situation, they would have been handed, well, not handed, they would have built an incredible company in that first wave, but maybe they wouldn't have found their way to wave two and three and four.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

And it's, again, it's why we like this type of company that we call a platform company, right?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

Which has shown the ability to skip TAMs, to have multiple TAMs over time.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

And I think that founder is tied to the market, you know, is tied to that market dynamic and they're equally important, but market size is always first.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Inside Coatue's $7BN Growth Fund: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How Mega Funds Can Still Do 5x Returns | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher

a great founder in a small market with a wedge that is not easily able to expand, I think will build an incredible business.