Lucy Biggers

But the thing is, it was like a game of telephone because this guy, Cook, he really wanted to find this so that like, you know, journalists and everyone can now have this thing to go to.

It's like studies say 97% of scientists agree, which is not true at all.

But President Obama in 2013, when this study came out, tweeted that and said 97% of scientists agree that climate change is happening.

It's caused by humans and it's dangerous.

And that was like a really big leap from just the fact that 97% said that it was happening.

And again, there's more people that are experts on that specific 97% study, but essentially there is no consensus on the human-made aspects of climate change, right?

Like how much we're causing it, and there's no consensus on how dangerous it is to us.

There is a consensus, I would say, that like the planet is warming.

but whether it could just be a natural warming cycle that we're in.

And I know you just had on Ian Plymer.

Maybe I'm saying, is that his last name?

Plymer, I think.

Well, you just had on Ian Plymer, and I know he is a scientist who went into all of that.

I would say, listen, I don't feel like I am necessarily the best expert to be like, these scientists say that stuff.

I would say, for me, what I learned from doing all this research is how many scientists, if you question it, you are kicked out of polite society.

You are losing your career, tenured position.

And so there's a few really outspoken scientists, like Michael Mann is a very good example, who are touted by the media all the time.

And then anyone who questions it, they have been so successfully tarred that people in the media, like what I used to be, they don't even go to those people because they're in their minds like they're quacks.

So there's no consensus, I would say, among scientists around the impacts we're having and the danger, but the media, it's like the media has not caught up with that.

And so they always are selling it, like the mainstream media, the big outlets you can think of, they're always selling it like it's an existential threat.