Lucy Williamson

They say their aims are a pragmatic solution to a pending catastrophe. But is there a darker side to their mission to make America procreate again? I'm Lucy Hockings. From the BBC World Service, this is The Global Story. I can speak to our Washington correspondent, Nomia Iqbal. Hi, Nomia. Hey, Lucy, how are you? Hey, good.

They say their aims are a pragmatic solution to a pending catastrophe. But is there a darker side to their mission to make America procreate again? I'm Lucy Hockings. From the BBC World Service, this is The Global Story. I can speak to our Washington correspondent, Nomia Iqbal. Hi, Nomia. Hey, Lucy, how are you? Hey, good.

You're with us today because a little earlier I had a conversation with a couple, Malcolm and Simone Collins, and we really want your help in putting that conversation into some context.

You're with us today because a little earlier I had a conversation with a couple, Malcolm and Simone Collins, and we really want your help in putting that conversation into some context.

Simone, can you just describe to me where you live with your family and what your family looks like?

Simone, can you just describe to me where you live with your family and what your family looks like?

How would you actually define pronationalism?

How would you actually define pronationalism?

So if this is a solution, Simone, pronatalism, what is the main problem that you would say you're worried about?

So if this is a solution, Simone, pronatalism, what is the main problem that you would say you're worried about?

So, Nomi, Malcolm and Simone were explaining to me a couple of the ideas that seem very important in their lives. But can you help us understand how their definitions fit into a wider view? They gave us the definition of pronatalism, but it's actually more of an umbrella term, isn't it, for quite a broad range of beliefs?

So, Nomi, Malcolm and Simone were explaining to me a couple of the ideas that seem very important in their lives. But can you help us understand how their definitions fit into a wider view? They gave us the definition of pronatalism, but it's actually more of an umbrella term, isn't it, for quite a broad range of beliefs?

What seems to unite all pro-natalists, though, Namia, is this concern with population decline. And Malcolm and Simone talked about this a lot, this idea of demographic collapse. What exactly is that? And are they right to be concerned?

What seems to unite all pro-natalists, though, Namia, is this concern with population decline. And Malcolm and Simone talked about this a lot, this idea of demographic collapse. What exactly is that? And are they right to be concerned?

Naomi, I've been speaking to quite a few people and asking them what their thoughts are around pronatalism. And I'm surprised how many people haven't actually heard of it. How long has it been around for?

Naomi, I've been speaking to quite a few people and asking them what their thoughts are around pronatalism. And I'm surprised how many people haven't actually heard of it. How long has it been around for?

Simone, you're outlining a really big problem as you see it, but part of your solution is intensely personal in that you're having lots of children. Malcolm, how many would you like to have?

Simone, you're outlining a really big problem as you see it, but part of your solution is intensely personal in that you're having lots of children. Malcolm, how many would you like to have?

So literally, Simone, you are putting yourself at risk, your life at risk for this. Absolutely.

So literally, Simone, you are putting yourself at risk, your life at risk for this. Absolutely.