Lucy Williamson

Does that frighten you?

Does that frighten you?

You must worry for her as well, though, Malcolm. This is your wife endangering her life.

You must worry for her as well, though, Malcolm. This is your wife endangering her life.

But Malcolm, I know for both of you, it's not just a question of how many children you have. It's kind of the other qualities that that child also has too. And you use a lot of data and you make other considerations when it comes to having a child. Can you talk us through that data?

But Malcolm, I know for both of you, it's not just a question of how many children you have. It's kind of the other qualities that that child also has too. And you use a lot of data and you make other considerations when it comes to having a child. Can you talk us through that data?

What about after the children are born and the names that you choose to give your children? Because you obviously, your approach isn't just before they're born, it's after as well.

What about after the children are born and the names that you choose to give your children? Because you obviously, your approach isn't just before they're born, it's after as well.

Now, Mia, the Collinses talked about the qualities that they want their children to have. So it's not just about having lots of babies. It's the kind of babies, the qualities that these children have. Is that also quite common among pronatalists?

Now, Mia, the Collinses talked about the qualities that they want their children to have. So it's not just about having lots of babies. It's the kind of babies, the qualities that these children have. Is that also quite common among pronatalists?

So far, Nomia, we've looked at how pronatalism is influencing the Collins' approach to their own family and how they're raising their children. But next, I'm going to ask them about how they think that should apply to families across the U.S.

So far, Nomia, we've looked at how pronatalism is influencing the Collins' approach to their own family and how they're raising their children. But next, I'm going to ask them about how they think that should apply to families across the U.S.

You're listening to The Global Story from the BBC World Service. With me is Nomia Iqbal, and I've also been speaking to pronatalists Malcolm and Simone Collins. So we've talked about your personal lives and how you're raising your family, but pronatalism is a part of a movement that you want to start as well.

You're listening to The Global Story from the BBC World Service. With me is Nomia Iqbal, and I've also been speaking to pronatalists Malcolm and Simone Collins. So we've talked about your personal lives and how you're raising your family, but pronatalism is a part of a movement that you want to start as well.

How are you planning to scale up this approach that you yourselves are taking and make it something bigger?

How are you planning to scale up this approach that you yourselves are taking and make it something bigger?

You're encouraging others to do it, though, Malcolm.

You're encouraging others to do it, though, Malcolm.

Can I ask you, though, about some of the other solutions that people have to falling fertility, that economic policies, for instance, should just be better, subsidized childcare, tax breaks, housing that's more affordable?

Can I ask you, though, about some of the other solutions that people have to falling fertility, that economic policies, for instance, should just be better, subsidized childcare, tax breaks, housing that's more affordable?