Lucy Williamson

So Malcolm, what about just straight immigration? Bring in more people to America.

So Malcolm, what about just straight immigration? Bring in more people to America.

Simone, a really important point that I think listeners would want me to put to you is that when you describe pronatalism, a lot of people are going to think it sounds a lot like eugenics. What's the difference?

Simone, a really important point that I think listeners would want me to put to you is that when you describe pronatalism, a lot of people are going to think it sounds a lot like eugenics. What's the difference?

I asked the Collinses something I think they're asked a lot, Nomi, about the children that they're having, the quality of the children. When they are accused of or compared to eugenicists who only want certain races or classes to procreate, they say they're different. They say pronatalists are not like that. But is that true?

I asked the Collinses something I think they're asked a lot, Nomi, about the children that they're having, the quality of the children. When they are accused of or compared to eugenicists who only want certain races or classes to procreate, they say they're different. They say pronatalists are not like that. But is that true?

I was asking the Collinses immigration, why a solution wasn't just to bring in more people into America.

I was asking the Collinses immigration, why a solution wasn't just to bring in more people into America.

We're speaking to you ahead of the annual natalism conference. You've mentioned it already, Malcolm. It's happening in Austin this weekend. And you are going to be sharing the stage, though, with some eugenics advocates and some people who promote extreme views that you yourself have said you don't agree with, including, I know, Kevin Dolan.

We're speaking to you ahead of the annual natalism conference. You've mentioned it already, Malcolm. It's happening in Austin this weekend. And you are going to be sharing the stage, though, with some eugenics advocates and some people who promote extreme views that you yourself have said you don't agree with, including, I know, Kevin Dolan.

And he says that eugenics and pronatalism positions are very much aligned. Malcolm, are you comfortable when you have to share a platform like that with someone like Kevin?

And he says that eugenics and pronatalism positions are very much aligned. Malcolm, are you comfortable when you have to share a platform like that with someone like Kevin?

There's been this investigation, Namia, into the organiser Kevin Dolan and they found his pseudonym Twitter account and on that he shares homophobic, racist, anti-Semitic views as well. And you mentioned that great replacement theory. He promotes that conspiracy theory as well and said that eugenics and pronatalism positions are very much aligned.

There's been this investigation, Namia, into the organiser Kevin Dolan and they found his pseudonym Twitter account and on that he shares homophobic, racist, anti-Semitic views as well. And you mentioned that great replacement theory. He promotes that conspiracy theory as well and said that eugenics and pronatalism positions are very much aligned.

How do you think, Namia, the Collinses keep a distance between themselves and these groups when actually they're sharing the same platform with them?

How do you think, Namia, the Collinses keep a distance between themselves and these groups when actually they're sharing the same platform with them?

When Donald Trump entered the White House for a second time this year, Namia, his two top officials in his new administration, J.D. Vance, the vice president, and Elon Musk, are both men who have been very supportive of pro-natalism in the past. Have they actually used their platforms, though, to push pro-natalist ideas?

When Donald Trump entered the White House for a second time this year, Namia, his two top officials in his new administration, J.D. Vance, the vice president, and Elon Musk, are both men who have been very supportive of pro-natalism in the past. Have they actually used their platforms, though, to push pro-natalist ideas?

The Collinses, though, Nomi, definitely feel like this new Trump administration poses a huge opportunity for them, given what you've just said. You can see why.

The Collinses, though, Nomi, definitely feel like this new Trump administration poses a huge opportunity for them, given what you've just said. You can see why.