Luke Caverns
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5 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard 27 May
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And I think the people who, that are in this space that have ideas that are more centered around the actual data and well thought out ideas, they will be people who are still speaking and writing and, you know, putting out videos and talking about these topics and the other people will have faded out. And that's the way it was in archeology before.
200 years ago you know in the early 1800s you had all these archaeologists who were as pseudo-scientific or whatever as archaeologists say independent researchers are today and then it becomes more dialed in and then you have this golden age of archaeology and then it kind of gets to you know where it is today and and uh so we're at like a new renaissance right where people are looking at things for their themselves they have all these new tools available and it's just going to take time for it to go through the weeds you know
And there's so many instances of, you know, so archaeologists, maybe it was last night at dinner when I was thinking about this, or I was watching, I was watching Danny's episode with Flint recently.
I was thinking about, I was thinking about people like Flint, his position as a historian, as an archeologist, you know, these guys are, are arbiters and holders and like collectors of, of, of knowledge, right? Like they, and they're the ones that teach it to students that come in. Um,
But there's still so many other people who have specialized interest in fields that can be closely associated with archaeology. And being open to hear those people's opinions would greater inform your view of the things that you study, right? Like, you know, a guy who's...
you know, a mechanical aerospace engineer or whatever, like Dunn and Dunn's son, you know, who love these vases and know everything about them. Well, these guys don't spend all their time learning about the culture of ancient Egyptians like I do or the Greeks or whatever like I do. So I have this vast, you know, set of knowledge here that's applicable to history.
And I know the cultural context behind things. And I may know a little bit about the vases, but I can't dismiss his opinion about the vase, you know? And I think that that's kind of the thing that I just find interesting that some archeologists, and it's a lot of people in a lot of industries, they just automatically dismiss something.
And what I think it is, is it's like, I think it's just the association that they don't like. One of my fears of reaching out to a local museum or something to be able to look at a vase that they have, like in San Antonio, they have a green diorite vase there. I probably sent you a photo of it. And I've thought about going to ask to... go into their lab and look at it.
But then, you know, one of my fears is like, you know, what if they look into me, they see that, you know, I've been on these podcasts or whatever, that some people don't like me. Oh, you know, they see this guilt by association and they, you know, they dislike me.
And that's what I think a lot of this is, is that like, oh, so Graham Hancock and people that like Graham Hancock are interested in the vases, I'm instantly going to oppose it. And I just think in the long run, that isn't going to do any good for anybody. And I think eventually it will die out.
I think, you know, you look at these archeologists that are in there that are active, like on X on YouTube that are in there, you know, twenties and thirties, a lot of them are more open to being a part of the conversation because they understand we have this new space that has this massive amount of dialogue.
That's another thing I think is interesting is we're kind of coming out of an age where there's a clear wall, right? Like academics did not associate with the public. They existed in their own fraternities, right? And you put out magazines and stuff and the public just kind of accepted it because there wasn't this huge discourse. But now we have like the Roman forum, right?
Where everyone can gather on X or on social media or on YouTube and discuss things and discuss things and discuss things. And there's less of a, uh, there's less of a hierarchy now, you know?
So we're reaching this whole new phase of society where if you want to be involved in, in academia in the same way that if you want to be involved in politics, now, if you're going to go on a political campaign, you've got to come on podcast and appeal to, you know, the vast majority of people.
Cause now we have our own forum, you know, um, or we have our own Agara, like in Athens, you have this place that people come and meet and discuss. And, um, yeah, we're just reaching this new place.
And I think that for anybody to be successful in what they're doing, if they care about, you know, being involved in the public, they've got to learn like the skill of oratory, something that used to be so important in ancient times, you know? Yeah, it's, I just, I love this. I love this conversation right here.
This is something I think about a lot, this place that we're in right now and thinking about what is our little space going to look like 10 years from now?
I mean, look at your podcast studio 50 years ago. This isn't possible to do this. It's not possible to project your voice out and this.
whether you know uh whether gatekeepers of you know knowledge or academics or whatever uh like it or not this is the place that the world is in and um this you know yeah i just think it's so cool yeah true well you've been doing a lot of work on the vase topic over the last year so what's happening there yeah so i was trying to remember where i even got started on this um
So I've had an interest in ancient Greece my whole life. And when I announced that I was going to this continuing education certificate program at the University of Athens, a lot of people were shocked that it felt like I was stepping away from the Americas. But I stepped away from the classics to study the Americas. Anybody that's heard me on podcasts, my very first interest was ancient Greece.
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