Luke Rosiak

I spent a great deal of time investigating all these people and keeping track of, well, Ahmed Mohamed, and how does he relate to Mohammed Ahmed, and is Abdurazak Ahmed the brother?

It goes on and on.

It's very difficult to track these people.

Because they don't even have a lot of them don't even know when they were born.

So our system is designed to keep track of people based on the idea that family members have the same names and you have birthdates and stuff.

It's very difficult.

And I put the time in and I was able to find some really good stuff.

But I'm certain that the government is not able to do this at scale because it's just too laborious.

And I get the sense that there's whack-a-mole going on.

And I get into this in some of the stories where somebody goes to jail for fraud, but pretty soon all of his associates are popping up with similar assets.

And it's like, are they just moving money around?

Is it really just...

It's a game of whack-a-mole to be trying to stop fraud when it's going to be really hard to prove.

At the end of the day, they may not even be punished that severely and somebody else is just going to do it.

So I'm interested to see whether they rescind these waivers.

I think the states are spending this money pretty freely because it's the federal money.

It's other people's money.

And it's a little unfair, I think, for certain states to have waivers like Minnesota and Ohio that let them bill federal taxpayers for services that people in other states don't get to do.

And I think personal services is one that maybe there's a policy solution here rather than you get at the root of the fraud and you just cut it off at the root.

and say no more personal services, no more butlers for Somalis.