Luke Thomas

Wow.

And then there was a time – biggest promotion.

And then there was a time when they were roughly co-equal.

But there is some evidence to suggest that at the time when Pride was like the most –

Popular and large MMA promotion in the world that they would not only did they not test for drugs There is some evidence to suggest that they may have even encouraged certain people to use them.

They didn't care now that to me seems Quite reckless.

I mean there's a certain degree of transparency about that like you just have to know they're purposely not testing you have to know like what you're up against there a little bit at the same time

Those, I mean, I want to be clear.

The idea of doing nothing around steroids to me is equally problematic.

If you have to have some kind of system in place, I just advocate one for rationality.

What I would say is, I'm going to be very careful so I don't get sued.

Okay.

But what I would say is, I think it is naive to assume

get this question all the time because people are like what about so-and-so in tennis yeah what about so-and-so in soccer or you pick any sport pick any celebrated figure i think people are deeply deeply deeply out of touch with how ubiquitous some level of performance dancing drug use is now when i say that what does that mean does that mean they're on it right now no it could not be the case but at some point in their career were they on it did they use it by the way this is a common thing

Did they use some kind of a performance-enhancing drug to rehabilitate from injury?

That is extremely common because it shortens the amount of time that you are on the shelf, you know, not being able to participate.

And, you know, obviously, you can, in certain ways, heal whatever is injured, perhaps more forcefully, although there's some debate about that.

But you get the point.

Like, it shortens the window of which you can compete.

I think that, you know, there's been anonymous track and field surveys.