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Luke Thomas Breaks Silence on Charlie Kirk’s Death | DSH #1572

16 Oct 2025

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Chapter 1: What motivated Luke Thomas to transition from sports media to politics?

0.031 - 27.253 Luke Thomas

i did feel a duty to say as someone who occupy a space to political adversary of someone like charlie kirk i did feel the need to come out and be very very clear that i think what happened to him is unconscionable a horror in no way defensible counteractive to the political project that all of us are trying to move forward like it's bad bad bad bad unethical bad disastrous i think it's important that people of all political persuasions make a very clear statement about that in public

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35.198 - 38.205 Sean Kelly

Okay, guys, we are in Las Vegas. We got someone as tall as me today.

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Chapter 2: How does Luke Thomas view the ethics of speaking out in today's political climate?

38.225 - 40.932 Sean Kelly

We got Luke Thomas in the building. What's up, man? Thank you for having me.

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Chapter 3: What insights does Luke share about the current state of debate culture?

40.952 - 48.329 Sean Kelly

Yeah, I know you've transitioned into politics about four months ago, right? Yeah, give or take, something like that. Sometime around the new year. Yeah, what sparked that move?

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Chapter 4: What are Luke's thoughts on the recent events in Washington, D.C.?

48.349 - 50.895 Sean Kelly

Because prior to that, you were talking about fighting combat sports, right?

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50.875 - 71.28 Luke Thomas

I think a few things. I would say, in part, the state of the sports media business is in decline. It's slow. It's not automatic, but you can kind of see where it's all headed. And so partly a recognition about like what opportunities are going to be there going forward.

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71.3 - 83.351 Luke Thomas

But the other part, I mean, on the political side was just that, um, I mean, Trump got elected or he got elected obviously in November, but he was inaugurated in late January and, you know, uh, he has not been idle.

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Chapter 5: How does Luke analyze the Israel-Palestine conflict?

83.611 - 90.297 Luke Thomas

He has been quite busy. And I think there was just a lot of things I saw that I didn't care for that I wanted to say something about.

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91.078 - 95.462 Sean Kelly

When you were covering sports, did you ever feel like you were scared to speak up about politics?

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96.505 - 119.88 Luke Thomas

not really no i don't think that that i mean don't get me wrong i've recognized that there can be a cost to be paid for it which is a separate consideration about whether or not i was afraid but if you're asking yes like can you say things in the course of just ordinary covering sports that at times can be flagged as either perceived as political or even if you have to weigh in on some kind of political dimension can that get you into trouble it can

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119.86 - 120.481 Luke Thomas

It can.

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Chapter 6: What impact has Joe Rogan had on media and political discourse?

120.501 - 130.523 Luke Thomas

Not always. I don't want to say it's a every time thing, but it can. Certain things you can speak out about will absolutely get you a call from HR or your editor or whoever the relevant authority is.

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130.704 - 135.895 Sean Kelly

That's why I actually respect Stephen A. Smith because he's taken that leap too recently. He's covering a lot of politics.

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Chapter 7: What challenges arise from conspiracy theories in modern discussions?

135.875 - 154.719 Luke Thomas

Yeah, I mean, I would question to what extent he's really challenging power in the way that he speaks, right? I mean, it's one thing to speak out about political issues, but who are you going after? You know what I mean? Are you going after, like, genuinely powerful coalitions that are really affecting American society, or are you... you know, kind of turning politics into a sports debate.

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154.739 - 172.868 Luke Thomas

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the hustle. If there's a market for it, then there's a market for it. But I just mean, you know, I think somebody who has arisen to the top of ESPN, and he's earned it, I'm not in any way upset about it, but... If you harbor certain views, you're not going to rise to the top of ESPN. You know what I mean? Yeah.

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Chapter 8: What is Luke's perspective on steroid use in professional sports?

172.888 - 178.877 Luke Thomas

And so I think that there's probably an Overton window within which he constrains what he talks about.

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178.897 - 189.574 Sean Kelly

I don't know that for a fact, but just based on how the world works, that would be my assessment. I mean, yeah, let's be honest. Anyone signed to Disney, you saw what happened to Shannon Sharp. They are going to make the cut when they need to. But that wasn't a speech issue, right?

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189.554 - 206.334 Luke Thomas

That was a... A personal legal matter that I think reflected poorly on him one way or the other. I don't know if it's the same. I mean, not to say that there aren't people who haven't been, you know, lectured or censured or whatever for speech. That probably, of course, has happened. I just don't know if that's Shannon's situation.

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206.354 - 215.664 Sean Kelly

Yeah, yeah, that's different. I can see that. What do you think of the whole debate culture? Like, are you a fan of, like, stuff like Trish Morgan going to places to debate, setting up spots to debate up? You know what? It's a good question.

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215.704 - 233.905 Luke Thomas

I actually have what I would call mixed feelings about that. So let's talk about the good. I think the good is any time a group of people, and I think you would agree, not every time are the Piers Morgan debates perfectly civil. They can get a little bit out of hand, which is part of the dramatization of it for sales and for ratings.

233.885 - 251.539 Luke Thomas

But I think the truth of the matter is it's better that people can engage in that kind of a process where you have the airing of ideas and people say exactly what they think. And then they go through some kind of process to try and rebuttal it. I do think that that is a, in general, a healthy exercise. But the problem is. Did you ever debate in high school or no?

251.559 - 268.616 Luke Thomas

I mean, I was never very good at it, but I did a little bit of time in it. And what you realize that you don't, again, you don't, I'm not some like, you know, the king of debate that's far from it. But what I mean is that when you do it enough, you realize that you have to have rules in place that everyone has to obey ahead of time.

268.637 - 292.565 Luke Thomas

And that it can, the system can easily be gamed where can, have I seen people who who were superior debaters beat people who had all the evidence on their side? I absolutely have. People tend to view debate as the person who wins the debate was the one who was most closely expressing the truth. No, it was the person who was doing the best advocacy for the point they were making.

292.885 - 297.591 Luke Thomas

And as long as you can understand and disentangle those two, I have no problem with it, but it can be difficult to do that.

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