Luke Tryl

I mean, I think what Luke's talking about there feeds into that, because if we take a little step back, and newscasters will perhaps remember that last year, we really had what you might call a battle of the flags in Scotland.

There were various protests against immigration outside, in some cases, hotels hosting asylum seekers.

And there have been various marches in favour of independence.

For a long time, waving the blue and white saltire, the Cross of St Andrew, has been associated in Scotland with support for Scottish independence.

Some people have always contested that and saying, well, it's my flag as much as it is anybody else's, even if they were to say that they supported the union.

Nonetheless, it's been very much associated with that cause.

What we saw in the last year were these protests outside asylum hotels, and you would see a union flag.

You would also quite often see salt tires.

They were put up on lampposts.

We saw the St.

George's Cross going up on lampposts in England, also the union flag.

There's a lot of confusion about who means what when they're waving these symbols around.

But the point being that there are competing nationalisms.

They're not all competing, but there are different nationalisms in these islands.

And when we talk about Scottish nationalism and the debate about Scottish independence and polls will suggest it's pretty much split down the middle.

If there were a referendum tomorrow, there's not going to be a referendum tomorrow.

And that's an important caveat.

But if there were, it would be perhaps a very narrow victory for Scotland leaving the UK.

But there are also other versions of nationalism that other parties have tapped into, the Conservatives and Unionist Party, the clue is in their name.

Reform UK, in many respects, have tapped into a feeling of English nationalism and perhaps increasingly British nationalism in Wales and Scotland as well.