Lulu Garcia Navarro

But isn't that what a guidebook is ultimately? It's, I mean, they're just placing value on a different thing, which is an image and a place. But I mean, a guidebook points you to a certain direction and tells you this is the thing that you need to go do in this particular place.

But isn't that what a guidebook is ultimately? It's, I mean, they're just placing value on a different thing, which is an image and a place. But I mean, a guidebook points you to a certain direction and tells you this is the thing that you need to go do in this particular place.

Do you think social media is ruining travel? I'm thinking about how most people I know, especially younger people, get their travel recommendations from TikTok and from Instagram.

Do you think social media is ruining travel? I'm thinking about how most people I know, especially younger people, get their travel recommendations from TikTok and from Instagram.

We've seen protests in Europe over tourism. In Barcelona, residents this summer were squirting visitors with water guns and chanting things like, tourists go home.

We've seen protests in Europe over tourism. In Barcelona, residents this summer were squirting visitors with water guns and chanting things like, tourists go home.

Is there anywhere that you regret having popularized?

Is there anywhere that you regret having popularized?

So wait, I'm hearing a lot of different things.

So wait, I'm hearing a lot of different things.

How do you feel about that transformation? Because there's the good stuff, they're affluent, but then there's the bad stuff that their way of life is changing, which is at the center of this industry that you've given your life to.

How do you feel about that transformation? Because there's the good stuff, they're affluent, but then there's the bad stuff that their way of life is changing, which is at the center of this industry that you've given your life to.

That's so interesting that you have to consider that now.

That's so interesting that you have to consider that now.

I am going to talk to you again. But in the time we have left, I want to return to the question of the world and how it's changing. Because you responded to my question about nativism and fear of difference by talking about social media. But I think there's something more fundamental going on.

I am going to talk to you again. But in the time we have left, I want to return to the question of the world and how it's changing. Because you responded to my question about nativism and fear of difference by talking about social media. But I think there's something more fundamental going on.

Perhaps you might be overstating the transformative power of this thing that you do.

Perhaps you might be overstating the transformative power of this thing that you do.

After the break, I call Rick back to ask about what he's sacrificed for a life on the road.

After the break, I call Rick back to ask about what he's sacrificed for a life on the road.