Lulu Garcia Navarro

As you mentioned, these descriptions come from your Substack Fresh Hell.

But before you were on Substack, you were the original queen of Condé Nast.

You became the editor of Vanity Fair at 30 in 1984, which is very sobering for those of us who did not get to such august heights so young.

And then, of course, you went on to run The New Yorker.

You know, there's a lot of nostalgia for that era now.

There's books, articles, podcasts.

Do you miss that time?

What do you miss about that time?

I mean, I have a theory for why there is so much nostalgia, which is...

even as the internet has sort of democratized the way that people get information and who gives information, we've seen the whole system that you presided over in that era sort of be dismantled.

And I think people are craving a bit more of authority because people want to guide through the muck.

They want some curation.

I would be a little demoralized if that's the advice that I was getting now, trying to break in.

I want to get back to your early career a little later, but you are actually an authority on some pretty current things that are happening that actually had their roots in that era of the 80s and the 90s.

And one of them, of course, is...

Jeffrey Epstein.

You knew Jeffrey Epstein.

You knew Ghislaine Maxwell socially.

In your book, The Palace Papers, you described her as omnipresent in the social scene.

She was always at book launches and cocktail parties.