Lulu Garcia Navarro

And the authors blame a lot of things like technology, political polarization, post-pandemic issues.

But do you think we've just become sort of as a nation, indoor cats instead of outdoor cats?

Like we just have lost the ability to...

Yeah, I also spoke to Robert Putnam and his prescription was to put it, you know, succinctly, join a club, right?

But I think a lot of people feel like they don't have time for that in between work and caretaking.

They don't feel like they've got time anymore for those kinds of labor-intensive social connections.

Yeah.

Let me ask you, though, is the time crisis real?

Because I sometimes think about where I choose to spend my time.

And it's not in making the effort to go out and join a club.

It's in watching a Netflix show, sitting on my sofa or bed rotting, as it's called on social media.

Yes.

as a way to quote unquote relax when it's really not that relaxing at all.

And I always feel much better when I actually make the effort to go out and make a connection.

But is our time crisis real or is it manufactured just by our bad choices?

The other thing I hear a lot of people say about why they don't interact more socially is that they enjoy being alone.

You know, they interact with people all day for work or they, you know, have to be in complicated social dynamics in other spaces.

And so they just...

prefer their downtime to be more calm, more peaceful.

I just sometimes wonder if people are just kidding themselves, though, and if that's not a real thing.