Lulu Garcia Navarro

Yes.

And I really want to focus on social connection because the pandemic, I think, showed us that if you don't have it, you're really, really going to suffer in ways that were –

perhaps not clear.

And I have been trying to figure out what happened to me during that period, honestly.

I became a lot more insular, and I had to sort of relearn how to make those social connections after that period.

Am I typical?

Yeah.

I mean, my daughter asked me recently, how do you start a conversation with strangers?

How do you go up to someone that you don't know and just start to talk to them?

And of course, that's a function of their age and that's totally normal.

I mean, they're learning how to interact in the world.

But I also realize like how much harder it is.

Totally.

To do that nowadays because you're not only interrupting maybe a social dynamic, you're also interrupting people's interaction with their devices.

Their phone.

And I notice that in my own family because she comes up to me and I'm on my phone and I feel annoyed sometimes.

I'm like, oh, I'm in the middle of reading.

Can't you see?

New York people are never smiling in New York.

I mean, this speaks to the wider situation in which we find ourselves, because I was looking at some data from 2012 to now, and there was a recent report by the American Enterprise Institute that shows that across all age groups, people are now socializing with their neighbors less.