Lulu Garcia Navarro

So all these things helped them win.

So all these things helped them win.

As you know, you got a rough ride because of your protests that you had. I know.

As you know, you got a rough ride because of your protests that you had. I know.

What did you think about that? Whose idea was that?

What did you think about that? Whose idea was that?

Former Ohio Representative Tim Ryan called it depressing, wrote it on X. Is it Saturday Night Live or Real Life?

Former Ohio Representative Tim Ryan called it depressing, wrote it on X. Is it Saturday Night Live or Real Life?

I guess it brings in just this wider concern that I've heard from Democratic voters. You know, there's real grief, anxiety, worry. I don't have to tell you that. And many feel that Democratic leadership are operating with an old playbook.

I guess it brings in just this wider concern that I've heard from Democratic voters. You know, there's real grief, anxiety, worry. I don't have to tell you that. And many feel that Democratic leadership are operating with an old playbook.

You describe yourself as an institutionalist. You've been a Democratic leader through a period of American politics, though, where the rules were understood. Politicians on both sides of the aisle operated under mostly agreed-upon norms. Yes. And I think it's fair to say that that no longer feels true.

You describe yourself as an institutionalist. You've been a Democratic leader through a period of American politics, though, where the rules were understood. Politicians on both sides of the aisle operated under mostly agreed-upon norms. Yes. And I think it's fair to say that that no longer feels true.

So are you the right person to lead the party at this moment as someone who basically championed the rules-based order, which is now fundamentally offensive?

So are you the right person to lead the party at this moment as someone who basically championed the rules-based order, which is now fundamentally offensive?

All right. I want to talk a little bit about the Democrat strategy more broadly. Last month, you said in an interview that Trump will screw up.

All right. I want to talk a little bit about the Democrat strategy more broadly. Last month, you said in an interview that Trump will screw up.

Do you really think, though, that there's something that will move the needle for either Republican legislators or voters? I ask because that feels like a familiar argument against the president. Surely this will be the final straw for someone.

Do you really think, though, that there's something that will move the needle for either Republican legislators or voters? I ask because that feels like a familiar argument against the president. Surely this will be the final straw for someone.

I'm sure. Yes, it's not a sight you want to see. Before we move on from this, I do want to ask you about the last election, especially around President Biden's decision to run for a second term. Yes. Did you know about President Biden's declining faculties before that disastrous debate?

I'm sure. Yes, it's not a sight you want to see. Before we move on from this, I do want to ask you about the last election, especially around President Biden's decision to run for a second term. Yes. Did you know about President Biden's declining faculties before that disastrous debate?