Lulu Garcia Navarro

In the past, he's called it one of the most effective organs of establishment propaganda in history.

And we should say that he believes Wikipedia has a liberal bias.

And in this interview and on his X feed, he's advocating for what he's calling reforms to the site, which include reveal who Wikipedia's leaders are and abolish source blacklists.

And I just wonder what you make of it.

I think you and Larry did build something beautiful that has endured.

I do wonder if it's going to be part of our future because I feel some despair about where we're all headed and some fear.

And I guess you'll just say that I have to trust that it's all going to end up okay.

But I do...

worry that it might not.

That didn't cheer me up.

I got to tell you right there.

Fair enough.

I got to tell you, like as a pep talk.

OK.

What was the last page you read on Wikipedia and what were you trying to find out?

You are a geek in the best possible way.

Thank you so much for your time.

I really appreciate it.

That's Jimmy Wales.

His new book, The Seven Rules of Trust, a blueprint for building things that last, comes out October 28th.