Lulu Garcia Navarro

And you've long said that the bonds with other people are one of the building blocks of happiness.

It's one of the most important things that we can do.

But especially here in the U.S., those bonds are fraying.

And I think we just saw some of ourselves in punch.

Do you think I may be right?

You know, I spent a lot of time in advance of this conversation really thinking about the nature of happiness.

And I want to start by digging into just what happiness is and maybe do some basic defining of terms because I went down a few rabbit holes.

You can.

It's very easy to do with this term in particular.

And so as I discovered, lots of philosophers have tackled the question of happiness going back to ancient Greece.

And there's two main types of happiness, according to ancient Greek philosophers, as far as I could tell.

And one is hedonic and the other one is eudaimonic.

Can you explain what that is, what the difference is, what they were looking at back then?

In ancient Greece, the big philosophical debate was also if happiness is nature or nurture.

What does the science say?

Are certain people more predisposed to be happy?

Is it biological?

When we think about happiness or well-being, is there a goal or is it just in the way that Aristotle said, an endless pursuit?

I mean, can we reach the mountaintop and we just sit there or is it just always...

searching for that place.