Lulu Garcia Navarro

I hear you saying that part of your strategy here is just to stay the course, do what Wikipedia does.

Are there changes that you do think Wikipedia needs to make to stay accurate and relevant?

I mean, that's interesting because Wikimedia writes this yearly global trends report on what might impact Wikipedia's work.

And for 2025, it wrote, quote, we are seeing that low quality content is being churned out, not just to spread false information, but as a get rich quick scheme.

And it is overwhelming the Internet.

High quality information that is reliably human produced has become a dwindling and precious commodity, end quote.

I read that crawlers from large language models have basically crashed your servers because they use so much of Wikipedia's content.

And it did make me wonder, will people be using these large language models to answer their questions and not going to the source, which is you?

It definitely doesn't seem good to me either as a journalist.

I just recall that there was this hope that as the internet got flooded with garbage, and this is even before AI, this was just, you know, kind of troll farms and clickbait, that it would benefit trustworthy sources of information.

And instead, we've seen that the opposite has happened.

Wikipedia, news organizations, academic institutions have

They're all struggling with the same thing.

Why do you think that they are struggling in an era where they should be flourishing if what you say is true, that people ultimately do want to trust the information that they're getting?

I guess I'm surprised at you saying this because Wikipedia has been faced with similar attacks on its own credibility.

And you say that you are neutral and credible and that the system that you employ is fair.

And yet there are people who completely dispute that.

And so I think what the response to...

What is a very common broadside against journalists and journalism in this era that they have taken aside, those of us on the inside would say it is part of a larger project of discrediting facts.

And we've seen those attacks on Wikipedia.