Lulu Garcia Navarro

How do you see that, that tension?

So those words that were there, far right and conspiracy theorists, those were, in your view, the wrong words and that the critics of Wikipedia had a point.

You mentioned Elon Musk, who's come after Wikipedia.

He calls it Wokipedia.

He's now trying to start his own version of Wikipedia called Grokopedia.

And he says it's going to strip out ideological bias everywhere.

I wonder what you think attacks like his do for people's trust in your platform writ large.

Because as we've seen in the journalism space, if enough outside actors are telling people not to trust something, they won't.

You said you talked to Elon Musk about this.

When did you talk to him about it and what was that conversation like?

When was the last time you had that exchange?

Obviously the debate that happened more recently was because of the hand gesture that he made that was interpreted in different ways.

And he was upset in the way that it had been characterized on Wikipedia.

Do you think Elon Musk is acting in good faith?

You're saying that in private he's nice and cordial, but his public persona is very different.

I don't mean to press you on this.

I'm just trying to refer to something that you said, which is people human to human are nice, right?

That we're good.

We should assume good faith.

And so you're saying that Elon one-on-one is lovely, but he is attacking your institution and potentially draining support for Wikipedia.