Lulu Garcia Navarro

And what do you need to know?

There were four years between Monsieur Perico's arrest and the trial that got so much coverage.

And you end up in this period moving to a small French island.

You make new friends and you find love again.

I think many people would find that incredible that you could trust a man again.

Giselle, I am curious.

We've talked about your mind and how you have, as you say, been able to stay standing all this time.

But after everything that you've physically gone through, how do you feel about your own body?

Gisèle Pellicot, merci beaucoup.

C'est moi qui vous remercie.

That's Gisèle Pellicot.

Her book, A Hymn to Life, Shame Has to Change Sides, will be published on February 17th.

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This conversation was produced by White Orm.

It was edited by Annabelle Bacon.

Mixing by Carol Saburo.

Interpretation by Grace Koston.

Voice over work by Stephanie Shostak.

Original music by Dan Powell, Nick Pittman, and Marion Lozano.

Photography by Philip Gay.